Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > European Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-15-2007, 09:52 AM   #1
ChrisPontius
March 8th, 1971
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Holland
Posts: 9,632
vCash: 238
Default What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

Emmanuel Steward had some pretty bad things to say about him as a trainer when he co-worked with him, with Wladimir Klitschko.

Although it's too late now before the McCline fight, do you think Vitali Klitschko could use a better trainer ?
ChrisPontius is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 08-15-2007, 09:55 AM   #2
Kolya
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Montana
Posts: 2,981
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

Fritz is a good trainer. Manny probably didn't like that he didn't have supreme command when he was working with Fritz; from all I know Fritz is an excellent conditioning coach and Manny has to have a huge ego.
Kolya is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 11:24 AM   #3
NBT
Mοderator of Death
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,304
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

The success he had over the years tells you that he is a top level trainer. Wlad was imo a better fighter in terms of technical diversity when he was with Sdunek, now with Steward he uses like three punches - jab, straight right and an occasional left hook. Trainers like fighters have different styles, the Steward trademarked Jab'n'Grab may work well for Wlad but wouldn't be ideal for Vitali imo.
NBT is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 12:42 PM   #4
ChrisPontius
March 8th, 1971
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Holland
Posts: 9,632
vCash: 238
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

I agree that Vitali's style is unorthodox and is best not to be changed, especiallty at this high age.

About Wladimir, Steward did do a great job of improving his footwork and his right hand seems more accurate and unpredictable.
ChrisPontius is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 01:10 PM   #5
brooklyn1550
Roberto Duran
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Michigan
Posts: 12,024
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

What did Manny have to say about Sdunek?
brooklyn1550 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 01:25 PM   #6
Kolya
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Montana
Posts: 2,981
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

Quote:
Originally Posted by brooklyn1550
What did Manny have to say about Sdunek?
Probably some self-promoting, ego stroking bullshit. He turned Wlad into a big octopus. At least with Sdunek Wlad was an offensive machine; he was sure a lot more fun to watch back then. If he could incorporate some of Steward's stuff like the clinching and pacing with his old offense a bit, he'd be a lot better off I think.
Kolya is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 01:59 PM   #7
Darien
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Hungary
Posts: 410
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

Most of his fighters love and adore him. Kovács and Erdei said that he is/was like a second father to them. Michalczewski also held him in the highest regard and never wanted to work with anyone else. Just look at how many champions came out of his hands! IMO he's one of the most successful trainers in Europe - that should answer your question.
Darien is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 02:06 PM   #8
joeboxer
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,041
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

I'll say this. Wladimir was completely unprepared to face Sanders. Sanders is a southpaw with fast hands and power. When an orthodox fighter who jabs and throws lots of straight rights versus a southpaw, the most important thing to remember is to always move left. That way you stay out of the range of the quick straight left (which a jab or straight right leaves you wide open for). Wlad never moved left the entire time. He was never told to move left. Its simple advice. Notice the Vitali fight...after the first round, Vitali hardly ever does anthing but move left.
joeboxer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 02:54 PM   #9
NBT
Mοderator of Death
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,304
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

And you don't think Sdunek knows that or what are you saying? Theory and training is one thing but the actual fight, which was just a bad style match-up for Wlad especially at that particular stage of his career, is another. He was simply totally suprised by Sanders and couldn't do anything let alone execute any stategic advices
NBT is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 04:10 PM   #10
boxexpert
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 398
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

sdunek is next to steward one of the best coaches out there,no doubt
boxexpert is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2007, 07:53 AM   #11
matt_maxx
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 84
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

I agree with all who praise Sdunek. What I really like about him are his comments in the break. He analyzes the fight and the oponnent and tell his boxers what to do, which combination to throw or that the oponnent is dropping his arm after he throw a punch for example. Not just simply the"you-are-strong"-or- "box-clever"-shit.
matt_maxx is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2007, 08:56 AM   #12
rumour24tiger
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,359
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tobkhan
Well, Sdunek was training Vitali and Wlad against Sanders. So making the trainer responsible for Wlad´s loss is a bit silly. Wlad was caught and never recovered. The only loss which i really count against him.
Also, Steward trained Wlad for the 1st Brewster fight, an appalling loss.
rumour24tiger is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2007, 09:53 AM   #13
jisi
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Eifel / Germany
Posts: 6,610
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisPontius
Emmanuel Steward had some pretty bad things to say about him as a trainer when he co-worked with him, with Wladimir Klitschko.

Although it's too late now before the McCline fight, do you think Vitali Klitschko could use a better trainer ?
Steward is absolutly right. It is a false from Vitali staying with Sdunek.


Quote:
Just look at how many champions came out of his hands! IMO he's one of the most successful trainers in Europe - that should answer your question.
What Champions? They fight only in germany.

Steward trained a lot of real Champions like Thomas Hearns, Lennox Lewis.
jisi is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2007, 11:19 AM   #14
ChrisPontius
March 8th, 1971
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Holland
Posts: 9,632
vCash: 238
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

Quote:
Originally Posted by brooklyn1550
What did Manny have to say about Sdunek?
I don't remember exactly but it wasn't pretty.

I also heard that Wlad was doing mostly strength exercises with very few boxing specific exercises. Only 4 rounds of intense sparring. I don't know if Sdunek was responsible for this however, but i think this is what bothered Steward because Wlad was still on that training program when he fought Brewster in 2004, when Steward just got to him.
ChrisPontius is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2007, 04:25 PM   #15
Grabonator
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 474
vCash: 1000
Default Re: What do you think of Fritz Sdunek?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisPontius
Emmanuel Steward had some pretty bad things to say about him as a trainer when he co-worked with him, with Wladimir Klitschko.

Although it's too late now before the McCline fight, do you think Vitali Klitschko could use a better trainer ?
Sdunek is a good trainer, no doubt. And i dont think Vitali should leave him. Never change an winning team!! To say Sdunek is not a good trainer only because hes not the absolute best or the best trainer of Wlad is nonesence bullshit!!
You heard Jisi?? Its bullshit jisi!!
Grabonator is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > European Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013