Fighters who overcame all styles?

Bokaj · 12-31-2008, 10:58 AM

SRL, of course comes to mind here. In Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler he bested opponents that were masters of their own styles (and just... masters). Hearn's must have been his absolute stylistical cryptonite, but he still overcame him. Would like to see Leonard against a WW-version of RJJ. That might just be a bridge too many.

Ali also bested just about all styles. He obviously had problems with swarmers, but still beat one of the greatest there been at HW two times out of three.

Robinson? He must have met fighters of just about every style, and since he seldom lost...

Greb should be mentioned here I supposse, but could someone fill me out on the details, please? Langford, Charles?

Feel free to name some more and comment on my choices.

McGrain · 12-31-2008, 11:03 AM

Langford outboxed Gans.

Outlasted Wills.

Outfoxed Flowers

Outpunched McVey.

But in earnest, what he did was mix all of these things up against all of these fighters. Great wins from 147 to Heavy, he beat all styles.

Titan1 · 12-31-2008, 11:07 AM

Unfortunately, Langford couldn't get to Jack Johnson, but he may taken him in a rematch.

JohnThomas1 · 12-31-2008, 11:08 AM

Hearns beat a puncher in Cuevas, a master boxer in Benitez, boxer/puncher type in Duran and a slugger in Roldan.

McGrain · 12-31-2008, 11:09 AM

I think Langford should be favourite to beat Johnson post-Jeffries,with the reverse being true any time before, crudely speaking, though it would always be close. Imagine if Langford had beaten Johnson?

p4p #1 lock.

JohnThomas1 · 12-31-2008, 11:09 AM

And realistically he beat SRL in fight 2.

natonic · 12-31-2008, 11:10 AM

I just re-watched Leonard - Duran II (speaking of mastering styles). That was a brilliant, underated performance by Leonard. I actually watched I & II back to back. I didn't see a whole lot of difference in Duran's physique, although I'm sure he didn't train with quite as much vigor. But I'm just not buying the belly ache excuse. Leonard was starting to find the range with some big shots and Duran took the easy way out rather than getting stopped. I agree that Benitez, Duran, Hagler, Hearns were as diverse wins against great fighters as you can get.

I'd have to add Monzon. Benvenuti, Briscoe, Valdez, Griffith, Napoles. Though not as great and diverse as Leonard's list, it's pretty damn good. I'm just not sure we've seen Monzon's Kryptonite at Middleweight. I'd think of a big, sturdy guy with a really good jab. Trouble is, I'm thinking Light Heavys (Foster, Spinks, Saad).

Titan1 · 12-31-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I think Langford should be favourite to beat Johnson post-Jeffries,with the reverse being true any time before, crudely speaking, though it would always be close. Imagine if Langford had beaten Johnson?

p4p #1 lock.

That would've been truly amazing.Langford probably could have held the belt at least 5 or 6 years.I don't know if he beats Dempsey, but it's a possibility.

JohnThomas1 · 12-31-2008, 11:21 AM

Greg Page beat the knockout puncher Coetzee, the speedster Tillis, the awkward Snipes and the slickster Jimmy Young

mr. magoo · 12-31-2008, 11:24 AM

Ali defeated a swarmer in Frazier, sluggers in Foreman and Liston, boxer punchers in Norton, Quarry, Patterson and Lyle, and boxers in Ellis, Young and Terrell.

JohnThomas1 · 12-31-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

Ali defeated a swarmer in Frazier, sluggers in Foreman and Liston, boxer punchers in Norton, Quarry, Patterson and Lyle, and boxers in Ellis, Young and Terrell.

Russell · 12-31-2008, 11:35 AM

Marivn Hagler

The durable, body punch tank that was Bennie Briscoe.

The ATG pure puncher in Eugene Hart.

The defensive master/buzzsaw that was Roberto Duran.

The laser like precision puncher Hearn's.

The never ending durability and grit of Antofurmo.

ThinBlack · 11-25-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

Greg Page beat the knockout puncher Coetzee, the speedster Tillis, the awkward Snipes and the slickster Jimmy Young

In some ways, Page was like the bigger version of Ray Leonard, with the lesser disciplinary habits.

11-25-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

Ali defeated a swarmer in Frazier, sluggers in Foreman and Liston, boxer punchers in Norton, Quarry, Patterson and Lyle, and boxers in Ellis, Young and Terrell.

D9Garrard · 11-26-2012, 12:24 AM

I would think that since "a boxer usually beats a puncher" that it would be easier to find examples of HOF "stylists" who meet this criteria, hence SRL and SRR, Ali, etc, etc.

The first name that came to mind for me was Duran. I'm not sure he even "had" a specific style, but he beat fast stylists (SRL), technicos (Dejesus), brutal punchers (Cuevas), spoilers (Viruet), and workhorses (Palamino). I'm no expert on Duran as some here are, but he handled every conceivable type of fighter without having a clear advantage in pure speed and athleticism. Older I get, the more I appreciate his accomplishments.

Marvin Hagler is also, IMO, an excellent fit for this thread.

12-31-2008, 10:58 AM	#1
Bokaj Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 12,315 vCash: 1000	Fighters who overcame all styles? SRL, of course comes to mind here. In Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler he bested opponents that were masters of their own styles (and just... masters). Hearn's must have been his absolute stylistical cryptonite, but he still overcame him. Would like to see Leonard against a WW-version of RJJ. That might just be a bridge too many. Ali also bested just about all styles. He obviously had problems with swarmers, but still beat one of the greatest there been at HW two times out of three. Robinson? He must have met fighters of just about every style, and since he seldom lost... Greb should be mentioned here I supposse, but could someone fill me out on the details, please? Langford, Charles? Feel free to name some more and comment on my choices.
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12-31-2008, 11:03 AM	#2
McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,261 vCash: 1000	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? Langford outboxed Gans. Outlasted Wills. Outfoxed Flowers Outpunched McVey. But in earnest, what he did was mix all of these things up against all of these fighters. Great wins from 147 to Heavy, he beat all styles.
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12-31-2008, 11:07 AM	#3
Titan1 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,423 vCash: 1000	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? Unfortunately, Langford couldn't get to Jack Johnson, but he may taken him in a rematch.
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JohnThomas1 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 12,184 vCash: 1000	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? Hearns beat a puncher in Cuevas, a master boxer in Benitez, boxer/puncher type in Duran and a slugger in Roldan.
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McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,261 vCash: 1000	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? I think Langford should be favourite to beat Johnson post-Jeffries,with the reverse being true any time before, crudely speaking, though it would always be close. Imagine if Langford had beaten Johnson? p4p #1 lock.
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12-31-2008, 11:10 AM	#7
natonic Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,743 vCash: 1000	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? I just re-watched Leonard - Duran II (speaking of mastering styles). That was a brilliant, underated performance by Leonard. I actually watched I & II back to back. I didn't see a whole lot of difference in Duran's physique, although I'm sure he didn't train with quite as much vigor. But I'm just not buying the belly ache excuse. Leonard was starting to find the range with some big shots and Duran took the easy way out rather than getting stopped. I agree that Benitez, Duran, Hagler, Hearns were as diverse wins against great fighters as you can get. I'd have to add Monzon. Benvenuti, Briscoe, Valdez, Griffith, Napoles. Though not as great and diverse as Leonard's list, it's pretty damn good. I'm just not sure we've seen Monzon's Kryptonite at Middleweight. I'd think of a big, sturdy guy with a really good jab. Trouble is, I'm thinking Light Heavys (Foster, Spinks, Saad).
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JohnThomas1 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 12,184 vCash: 1000	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? Greg Page beat the knockout puncher Coetzee, the speedster Tillis, the awkward Snipes and the slickster Jimmy Young
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12-31-2008, 11:24 AM	#10
mr. magoo Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago, Illinois USA Posts: 12,517 vCash: 1000	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? Ali defeated a swarmer in Frazier, sluggers in Foreman and Liston, boxer punchers in Norton, Quarry, Patterson and Lyle, and boxers in Ellis, Young and Terrell.
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Russell Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 12,164 vCash: 75	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? Marivn Hagler The durable, body punch tank that was Bennie Briscoe. The ATG pure puncher in Eugene Hart. The defensive master/buzzsaw that was Roberto Duran. The laser like precision puncher Hearn's. The never ending durability and grit of Antofurmo.
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D9Garrard Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 216 vCash: 1000	Re: Fighters who overcame all styles? I would think that since "a boxer usually beats a puncher" that it would be easier to find examples of HOF "stylists" who meet this criteria, hence SRL and SRR, Ali, etc, etc. The first name that came to mind for me was Duran. I'm not sure he even "had" a specific style, but he beat fast stylists (SRL), technicos (Dejesus), brutal punchers (Cuevas), spoilers (Viruet), and workhorses (Palamino). I'm no expert on Duran as some here are, but he handled every conceivable type of fighter without having a clear advantage in pure speed and athleticism. Older I get, the more I appreciate his accomplishments. Marvin Hagler is also, IMO, an excellent fit for this thread.
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