BOXING: Tragic Stories - Page 5

Bigcat · 01-11-2009, 06:51 PM

Does anyone around the Detroit area remember around the 1993 period , a very established and capable amateur heavyweight just about to turn pro called Mark Rayner was shot in his car, in what was a mistaken identity car jacking incident.. i remember it vividly , it was sad because i met him once and we hung out a while, he was a very pure hearted cat, not a bad bone in his body.. God bless...

faisal · 01-11-2009, 07:44 PM

tony ayala jr could possibly have been a huge star throughout the 80s and early/mid 90 its a pitty he couldnt keep his dick in his pants,

SteveO · 01-11-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CottoDaBodykill

how about the old school boy himself bobby chacon .. wife commits suicide .. million dollar fighter ..multi champion .. gave the nation thrills chills and spills fight after fight only to wind up being seen at an oscar delahoya event picking through the trash ...

thats pretty nasty

I remember reading that he can't leave his house (or his mother's house, wherever he lives) without having his address written on a piece of paper so someone can help him find his way back

Brian Zelley · 01-12-2009, 04:49 AM

1980 USA BOXING TEAM

For all of us that have entered the boxing ring to face battle,
we have all had our hopes, wishes and dreams. For some of the
1980 USA boxing team such as Lemuel Steeples, there was
hope and expections by many from St Louis and other places
that Steeples would be the next Sugar Ray Leonard and a shining
star of the Eighties in professional boxing. But, the hopes and dreams
of the boxers, and expectations of others quickly turned to
sorrow and pain after that tragic plane crash in March of 1980.

For many folks involved in amateur boxing, they had great respect for
Tom (Sarge) Johnson not only for the performance of the 1976
USA Olympic Boxing teams in Montreal, but for his dedication and service
to the sport of boxing. The loss of Sarge in 1980 was a tragedy, but the loss
of the team was a tragedy of tragedies. The assistant coach lost was
Y R Robles of California.

For the Palomino family there was likely much joy with the
performance of Carlos Palomino in the Seventies, but no joy for
family and friends could outshine the pain and loss of Paul Palomino
on that sad March 14 th. day.

The story is the same for all that were lost from San Francisco
to Hartford and New Bedford, from Biloxi and Troy to. Port Townsend.
Some will remember, but it is likely very few current
boxing fans in their twenties or thirties would remember
Kelvin Anderson, Joe Bland, Bernie Callaghan, Elliot Chavez,
Tyrone Clayton, Walter Harris, Byron Lindsey, Andre McCoy,
Paul Palomino, Byron Payton, George Pimentel, John Radison,
Chuck Robinson, Junior Robles, David Rodrigues, Steve Smiegel,
Lemuel Steeples, Jerome Stewart, Dr. Ray Wesson, Lonnie Young
and Tom Johnson.

In the July 1980 issue of Hank Kaplan's World -Wide "Boxing Digest"
there was a small piece on Steeples by Ron Copher titled
"Lemuel Steeples - One of America's Great Amateurs".
THe small piece did mention referee John Radison, but not
other team members.

I'm sure in the various local papers in March of 1980, there
would have been many fine tributes, but that was years ago.
In recognition of those lost members of the team, it would be great
for a few folks to tell a little about those that were lost.

And whatever happened to the one boxer that missed the plane
by the name of Jimmy Clark from Pennsylvania.

Jack Dempsey · 01-12-2009, 05:23 AM

The shameful treatment of Jimmy Bivins by his family springs to mind

True Writer · 01-12-2009, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by faisal

tony ayala jr could possibly have been a huge star throughout the 80s and early/mid 90 its a pitty he couldnt keep his dick in his pants,

Its not tragic the guy is just a cunt.

flamengo · 01-12-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by True Writer

Its not tragic the guy is just a cunt.

He slept with your sister????

The_Hitman92 · 01-12-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by faisal

tony ayala jr could possibly have been a huge star throughout the 80s and early/mid 90 its a pitty he couldnt keep his dick in his pants,

Definatley. Not a tragedy to him, but a tragedy in the sense that us boxing fans missed out on getting to watch him in his career. Even if the guy is a dick he was a great fighter and I think would have went on to have a great career if he wern't such a fuck up.

dnr0720 · 01-12-2009, 12:56 PM

After Deuk-Koo Kim's death against Mancini, The referee Richard Green commited suicide shortly after that, and Kim's mom died shortly after her son. Some say from a broken heart

Russell · 01-12-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dnr0720

After Deuk-Koo Kim's death against Mancini, The referee Richard Green commited suicide shortly after that, and Kim's mom died shortly after her son. Some say from a broken heart

Yeah, talk about fallout from a tragedy. Unbelievable.

Nigel_Benn · 02-19-2009, 09:22 AM

Ricky Womack i dont know to much about the guy but he almost took Evanders spot on the 1984 Olympic team, Shared a room with Mike Tyson at those trials, He was 12-0 when he turned pro and was looking like a surefire world champion but he turned to his old life of guns and crime and got busted and sent down for 10 years. Shame.

turpinr · 02-19-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by prime

Sonny Liston gets to me. For some reason, I hate and am moved by stories of his coming back to hometown Philadelphia after lifting the crown from Patterson and no one, no one being there to greet him as the new champ.

He will always be a champ, a man, in my heart.

it gets to me too,the bloke got dealt a real shitty hand but if you were to mention all the bad luck stories here ,ie liston,charles,turpin,benny lynch etc etc ,you'd be here all year.then theres cunts like don king and all the other leaching promoter/manager/agents to stiff em.
the mafia looks glamorous on the movie screen but how many fighters suffered at their hands(1000000s)

02-19-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nigel_Benn

Ricky Womack i dont know to much about the guy but he almost took Evanders spot on the 1984 Olympic team, Shared a room with Mike Tyson at those trials, He was 12-0 when he turned pro and was looking like a surefire world champion but he turned to his old life of guns and crime and got busted and sent down for 10 years. Shame.

Killed himself too didn't he ?

My dinner with Conteh · 02-19-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dnr0720

After Deuk-Koo Kim's death against Mancini, The referee Richard Green commited suicide shortly after that, and Kim's mom died shortly after her son. Some say from a broken heart

Kim's mum killed herself too.

My dinner with Conteh · 02-19-2009, 10:59 AM

Wallace 'Bud' Smith gunned down while he talked to a girl on the streets. Bullet was supposedly intended for her.

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Brian Zelley Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 329 vCash: 1000	Re: BOXING: Tragic Stories 1980 USA BOXING TEAM For all of us that have entered the boxing ring to face battle, we have all had our hopes, wishes and dreams. For some of the 1980 USA boxing team such as Lemuel Steeples, there was hope and expections by many from St Louis and other places that Steeples would be the next Sugar Ray Leonard and a shining star of the Eighties in professional boxing. But, the hopes and dreams of the boxers, and expectations of others quickly turned to sorrow and pain after that tragic plane crash in March of 1980. For many folks involved in amateur boxing, they had great respect for Tom (Sarge) Johnson not only for the performance of the 1976 USA Olympic Boxing teams in Montreal, but for his dedication and service to the sport of boxing. The loss of Sarge in 1980 was a tragedy, but the loss of the team was a tragedy of tragedies. The assistant coach lost was Y R Robles of California. For the Palomino family there was likely much joy with the performance of Carlos Palomino in the Seventies, but no joy for family and friends could outshine the pain and loss of Paul Palomino on that sad March 14 th. day. The story is the same for all that were lost from San Francisco to Hartford and New Bedford, from Biloxi and Troy to. Port Townsend. Some will remember, but it is likely very few current boxing fans in their twenties or thirties would remember Kelvin Anderson, Joe Bland, Bernie Callaghan, Elliot Chavez, Tyrone Clayton, Walter Harris, Byron Lindsey, Andre McCoy, Paul Palomino, Byron Payton, George Pimentel, John Radison, Chuck Robinson, Junior Robles, David Rodrigues, Steve Smiegel, Lemuel Steeples, Jerome Stewart, Dr. Ray Wesson, Lonnie Young and Tom Johnson. In the July 1980 issue of Hank Kaplan's World -Wide "Boxing Digest" there was a small piece on Steeples by Ron Copher titled "Lemuel Steeples - One of America's Great Amateurs". THe small piece did mention referee John Radison, but not other team members. I'm sure in the various local papers in March of 1980, there would have been many fine tributes, but that was years ago. In recognition of those lost members of the team, it would be great for a few folks to tell a little about those that were lost. And whatever happened to the one boxer that missed the plane by the name of Jimmy Clark from Pennsylvania.
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dnr0720 Journeyman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 71 vCash: 1000	Re: BOXING: Tragic Stories After Deuk-Koo Kim's death against Mancini, The referee Richard Green commited suicide shortly after that, and Kim's mom died shortly after her son. Some say from a broken heart
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Nigel_Benn Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: london Posts: 1,457 vCash: 1000	Re: BOXING: Tragic Stories Ricky Womack i dont know to much about the guy but he almost took Evanders spot on the 1984 Olympic team, Shared a room with Mike Tyson at those trials, He was 12-0 when he turned pro and was looking like a surefire world champion but he turned to his old life of guns and crime and got busted and sent down for 10 years. Shame.
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My dinner with Conteh P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21,599 vCash: 1000	Re: BOXING: Tragic Stories Wallace 'Bud' Smith gunned down while he talked to a girl on the streets. Bullet was supposedly intended for her.
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