The Future of CUBA in the Pros, by Weightclasses. (List Inside) ***UPDATED/VIDEO*** - Page 6

Ricky369 · 03-09-2009, 11:44 PM

Never know!! Most of them are in a age where they should be champions already. Most of them have been getting hit for a long time. Others find the freedom in USA too tempting or discover they want to do other things. I will say may be 2 of them will be stars..

Ricky369 · 03-09-2009, 11:48 PM

Let me explain and I hope you don't get offended. Cuba used to dominate olimpic boxing because their boxer were 25-26 y/o with lots of experience fighting against 17,18,19 kiids from other countries.
The same happens when they turn pro. People say they just turn pro. But they don't know the Cuban have over 100 amateur fights and the other guy has may be 10. Wait until you see them against real opponents. Again, May be 2 of them will be stars.
And Cuba olimpic dominance has gone wayyyy down lately!!!

jaycuban · 03-10-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricky369

Let me explain and I hope you don't get offended. Cuba used to dominate olimpic boxing because their boxer were 25-26 y/o with lots of experience fighting against 17,18,19 kiids from other countries.
The same happens when they turn pro. People say they just turn pro. But they don't know the Cuban have over 100 amateur fights and the other guy has may be 10. Wait until you see them against real opponents. Again, May be 2 of them will be stars.
And Cuba olimpic dominance has gone wayyyy down lately!!!

You know I understand were you are coming from, But IL have disagree with you a bit there... people get the same impression you have because they usually hear about Cuban fighter when they are going for the second or third gold medals or silver or whatever, but what they forget is that they all won their first medals at a very young age,

Teofilo Stevenson won gold at 20
Guillermo Rigondeaux won gold at 19
Joel Casamayor won gold at 20
Emilio Correo won gold at 19
Jose Gomez won golf at 21
Ariel Hernandes won gold at 19
Juan Hernandes Perez won gold at 18
Angel Vera won gold at 18
Armando Martinez won at 19
Hector Vinent won at 19

and bunch of other that won between the age of 21 and 24

but I do understand what you are because since they can't turn pro they end up winning gold medals at the age of 26 or 28 so you do have a point aswell.

03-10-2009, 03:39 AM

Why do some of those Cubans wait so long to debut? Most of those dudes will only be in their physical primes as pros' for only bout 3-4 yrs

Kid Cubano · 03-10-2009, 07:09 AM

Cuba has been a major source of professional boxers even before Castro.. did u ever heard of Kid Chocolate,Kid Gavilan,Mantequilla Napoles,Kid Paret, etc...boxing like baseball is in every corner in Cuba...Cuba dominates olympics b/c there is a tradition and got talent,Cuba also has soccer players and basketball players above average age at the olympics but even a middle school team from Brazil will defeat Cuba because that is not our shit.

Flea Man · 03-10-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by imp4pdabest

Why do some of those Cubans wait so long to debut? Most of those dudes will only be in their physical primes as pros' for only bout 3-4 yrs

you are kiddin right? because Cuba is a communist country and the chance to flee hasn't come for many of them.

jaycuban · 03-11-2009, 09:12 AM

Heavyweight Mike Perez, Super Middleweight Luis Garcia and Bantam Alexei Acosta will fight on Saturday, April 18

Paddy · 03-15-2009, 10:03 AM

Hey guys,

Not sure if you've gotten wind of this news on Rigondeaux yet
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Paddy · 03-15-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jaycuban

Heavyweight Mike Perez, Super Middleweight Luis Garcia and Bantam Alexei Acosta will fight on Saturday, April 18

sure will I'm flying over to watch them!

Hopefully something can be sorted out so people in america can see them because theyre all top class

jaycuban · 03-15-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paddy

Hey guys,

Not sure if you've gotten wind of this news on Rigondeaux yet
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thats some fukked up news.

BigBone · 03-15-2009, 11:26 AM

Deal with it outside of the ring, let Rigondeaux start his pro career!

I don't care who promotes him as long as the team works perfectly. Arena and Gamboa are great together, and Öner now has excellent connections with other promoters, Florida venues and bigtime US TVs. But if it's a co-promotion or a large sum to pay to the Irish guy, I don't care, just let this tremendous talent, 28, start his pro career for f*'s sake! Boycotting the debut is a disgraceful way to deal with the situation, whether this guy is right or wrong. Would you like to work with him if he was boycotting your pro debut in your new hometown and order to go and fight in Ireland?

Ricky369 · 03-15-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by imp4pdabest

Why do some of those Cubans wait so long to debut? Most of those dudes will only be in their physical primes as pros' for only bout 3-4 yrs

Because they have to escape the country. Meaning you might never see your family again. And you never know what kind of punishment they might encounter for you escaping. But things are changing. Slowly but surely.

Jetset78 · 03-15-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBone

Deal with it outside of the ring, let Rigondeaux start his pro career!

I don't care who promotes him as long as the team works perfectly. Arena and Gamboa are great together, and Öner now has excellent connections with other promoters, Florida venues and bigtime US TVs. But if it's a co-promotion or a large sum to pay to the Irish guy, I don't care, just let this tremendous talent, 28, start his pro career for f*'s sake! Boycotting the debut is a disgraceful way to deal with the situation, whether this guy is right or wrong. Would you like to work with him if he was boycotting your pro debut in your new hometown and order to go and fight in Ireland?

I know what you're saying but if Hyde has invested, put up money and signed a contract like he claims then he's entitled to promote him. Why should Arena be allowed to profit?

Whatever happens they need to sort it out. I can't wait to see the lad in action. Just hope he's as good as you guys are saying...

Paddy · 03-15-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBone

Boycotting the debut is a disgraceful way to deal with the situation, whether this guy is right or wrong. Would you like to work with him if he was boycotting your pro debut in your new hometown and order to go and fight in Ireland?

the fact of the matter is Gary Hyde will not be bullied by these lads I dont know about you lads feel but its Rigondeaux own fault he should have stuck to his original agreement.

If Gary Hyde doesnt make a BIG point now it wont be long before other big promoters come in looking to sign Perez, Garcia and Acosta

I agree its a shame Rigondeaux is being held up over this but theres still something to be said for honouring a contract

BigBone · 03-15-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paddy

the fact of the matter is Gary Hyde will not be bullied by these lads I dont know about you lads feel but its Rigondeaux own fault he should have stuck to his original agreement.

If Gary Hyde doesnt make a BIG point now it wont be long before other big promoters come in looking to sign Perez, Garcia and Acosta

I agree its a shame Rigondeaux is being held up over this but theres still something to be said for honouring a contract

IF Gary Hyde has a legitimate contract signed before Arena did.

BTW, did he try to contact Arena to sort things out?

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Ricky369 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 4,081 vCash: 1000	Re: The Future of CUBA in the Pros, by Weightclasses. (List Inside) *UPDATED* Let me explain and I hope you don't get offended. Cuba used to dominate olimpic boxing because their boxer were 25-26 y/o with lots of experience fighting against 17,18,19 kiids from other countries. The same happens when they turn pro. People say they just turn pro. But they don't know the Cuban have over 100 amateur fights and the other guy has may be 10. Wait until you see them against real opponents. Again, May be 2 of them will be stars. And Cuba olimpic dominance has gone wayyyy down lately!!!
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BigBone It was man, it fuckin was East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 37,000 vCash: 1000	Re: The Future of CUBA in the Pros, by Weightclasses. (List Inside) *UPDATED* Deal with it outside of the ring, let Rigondeaux start his pro career! I don't care who promotes him as long as the team works perfectly. Arena and Gamboa are great together, and Öner now has excellent connections with other promoters, Florida venues and bigtime US TVs. But if it's a co-promotion or a large sum to pay to the Irish guy, I don't care, just let this tremendous talent, 28, start his pro career for f*'s sake! Boycotting the debut is a disgraceful way to deal with the situation, whether this guy is right or wrong. Would you like to work with him if he was boycotting your pro debut in your new hometown and order to go and fight in Ireland?
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