Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer

Charles White · 03-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Who takes this one? Both had heavy right hands and cast iron jaws.

Russell · 03-10-2009, 04:26 PM

Mercer outpoints him, no doubt.

mr. magoo · 03-10-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell

Mercer outpoints him, no doubt.

I don't think I'd use the words " no doubt. " In fact, Mercer either struggled or lost to fighters who had even so much as half assed boxing ability, ie. 42 year old Holmes, Jesse Ferguson, Francesco Damiani, etc. in addition, I see virtually no chance for a KO here, which ordinarily under these circumstances would be Mercer's best bet.

I say this ones' 50/50.

rekcutnevets · 03-10-2009, 07:46 PM

McCall has a chance, but I think that an in shape Mercer would out hustle him for a decision.

My2Sense · 03-11-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

McCall has a chance, but I think that an in shape Mercer would out hustle him for a decision.

Agreed.

At his best, such as against Bert Cooper, Mercer was busier and used more variety of punches, whereas McCall relied a lot on doing damage with his right hand.

abraq · 03-11-2009, 11:05 AM

Yes, at his best Mercer appeared busier. But McCall cannot just be written off in this fight. I feel that, overall, he had the better achievments.

50:50.

Charles White · 03-11-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

I don't think I'd use the words " no doubt. " In fact, Mercer either struggled or lost to fighters who had even so much as half assed boxing ability, ie. 42 year old Holmes, Jesse Ferguson, Francesco Damiani, etc. in addition, I see virtually no chance for a KO here, which ordinarily under these circumstances would be Mercer's best bet.

I say this ones' 50/50.

Even an old Holmes had tremendous boxing ability, so I wouldn't call his skills at that time half assed. He handed Mercer a good ass whuppin in the form of a boxing lesson. Ferguson and Damiani though, yes, half assed boxing ability.

Bigcat · 03-11-2009, 01:07 PM

Oliver and Ray in 1993 would have been a good solid fight, Oliver outlasted Holmes in a close one , and Ray lost fair and square to Larry showing how pedestrian he could be once he ran out of ideas.. Oliver had better boxing ability and a slightly better chin.. I give a fired up Mccall a points win , but in a fight where both would be very wary of the other mans power.. McCall victory...

Charles White · 03-11-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigcat

Oliver and Ray in 1993 would have been a good solid fight, Oliver outlasted Holmes in a close one , and Ray lost fair and square to Larry showing how pedestrian he could be once he ran out of ideas.. Oliver had better boxing ability and a slightly better chin.. I give a fired up Mccall a points win , but in a fight where both would be very wary of the other mans power.. McCall victory...

Well put Bigcat, I concur.

Bigcat · 03-11-2009, 01:49 PM

Ray got out of jail by the skin of his teeth on more than one occasion, he was black and blue against Cooper, getting a job done on him against Morrison before he got his act together, Ray was completely out of sorts against Damiani before breaking the Italians nose very late to win the championship. Ray had trouble with anyone with some technical ability if he could not knock them out.. He had to try to sweet talk Jessie Ferguson into a truce during thier fight which resulted in an upset win for the Philadelphian... Ray was a hard boxer puncher who could lose his way in many fights when he switched off.. Oliver often liked to get fired up when the going got tough.... Ray and a challenge like that may have brought out the best in McCall..

Russell · 03-11-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

I don't think I'd use the words " no doubt. " In fact, Mercer either struggled or lost to fighters who had even so much as half assed boxing ability, ie. 42 year old Holmes, Jesse Ferguson, Francesco Damiani, etc. in addition, I see virtually no chance for a KO here, which ordinarily under these circumstances would be Mercer's best bet.

I say this ones' 50/50.

Well, if you want to look at the worst performances of a fighter who lived and died by how prepared he came into fights...

downthatbottle · 03-11-2009, 02:57 PM

I don't know if this is a 50/50 fight.

I would definetly go with Mercer by UD.

purplestuff · 03-11-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigcat

Oliver and Ray in 1993 would have been a good solid fight, Oliver outlasted Holmes in a close one , and Ray lost fair and square to Larry showing how pedestrian he could be once he ran out of ideas.. Oliver had better boxing ability and a slightly better chin.. I give a fired up Mccall a points win , but in a fight where both would be very wary of the other mans power.. McCall victory...

nah, i gotta say mercer had the better chin. went against better punchers. also mercer lasted the lewis fight, oliver was on his way to bein KO and he knew it, so he cried his way outta the fight....

.....also mercer was a brawler who had a head first defence, where oliver could box a bit and wasnt there to be hit as often or as cleanly.

anyways i see mercer outhustling his way to a win, but if mercer is lazy oliver very well could pull off the W.

Russell · 03-11-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by purplestuff

nah, i gotta say mercer had the better chin. went against better punchers. also mercer lasted the lewis fight, oliver was on his way to bein KO and he knew it, so he cried his way outta the fight....

Punisher33 · 03-11-2009, 06:46 PM

My money would be on Mercer, who fought better oppostion and was the more gifted fighter. McCall's only great asset was his legendary chin and wild right hand, which caught guys like Awkinwande and Lewis off guard. I do see Mercer outboxing McCall, similar to what Bruno or Buster did to him.

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Charles White Chucker ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rockport, Washington Posts: 3,536 vCash: 999	Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer Who takes this one? Both had heavy right hands and cast iron jaws.
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Russell Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 12,102 vCash: 75	Re: Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer Mercer outpoints him, no doubt.
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rekcutnevets Black Sash East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Location: InYourMouth, NC Posts: 6,523 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer McCall has a chance, but I think that an in shape Mercer would out hustle him for a decision.
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abraq Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: City - Guwahati, State - Assam, Country - India. Posts: 687 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer Yes, at his best Mercer appeared busier. But McCall cannot just be written off in this fight. I feel that, overall, he had the better achievments. 50:50.
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Bigcat Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley of the shadow of death . Remember a desperate man is a dangerous man !! Posts: 10,706 vCash: 300	Re: Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer Oliver and Ray in 1993 would have been a good solid fight, Oliver outlasted Holmes in a close one , and Ray lost fair and square to Larry showing how pedestrian he could be once he ran out of ideas.. Oliver had better boxing ability and a slightly better chin.. I give a fired up Mccall a points win , but in a fight where both would be very wary of the other mans power.. McCall victory...
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Bigcat Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley of the shadow of death . Remember a desperate man is a dangerous man !! Posts: 10,706 vCash: 300	Re: Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer Ray got out of jail by the skin of his teeth on more than one occasion, he was black and blue against Cooper, getting a job done on him against Morrison before he got his act together, Ray was completely out of sorts against Damiani before breaking the Italians nose very late to win the championship. Ray had trouble with anyone with some technical ability if he could not knock them out.. He had to try to sweet talk Jessie Ferguson into a truce during thier fight which resulted in an upset win for the Philadelphian... Ray was a hard boxer puncher who could lose his way in many fights when he switched off.. Oliver often liked to get fired up when the going got tough.... Ray and a challenge like that may have brought out the best in McCall..
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downthatbottle Please don't ban me ESB Full Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mullica Hill NJ Posts: 414 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer I don't know if this is a 50/50 fight. I would definetly go with Mercer by UD.
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Punisher33 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 8,590 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime McCall vs. Prime Mercer My money would be on Mercer, who fought better oppostion and was the more gifted fighter. McCall's only great asset was his legendary chin and wild right hand, which caught guys like Awkinwande and Lewis off guard. I do see Mercer outboxing McCall, similar to what Bruno or Buster did to him.
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