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Old 08-17-2007, 12:06 PM   #31
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Old 08-17-2007, 12:15 PM   #32
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Marciano's chin was tested more than other more technically sound fighters because Marciano ate more shots flush. He was not a defensive wizard, he was not adept at rolling with shots. He was offensively minded and while Goldman brought him to get low and weave and move his head, he was not hard to find. He was also coming forward and wading into shots.
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Old 08-17-2007, 12:54 PM   #33
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Imagine Michael Spinks dropping Mike Tyson early in their bout?
Was Michael Spinks the all-time knockout king who some of their common opponents opponents said hit harder than Tyson himself?
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Old 08-18-2007, 01:46 AM   #34
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Many boxers who've been stunned won't admit to it. Or, because they were stunned, they don't remember it. Rocky had his bells rung and saw stars at least once, count on it. He was human.

Other fighters tend to be self deprecating and exaggerate, claiming they were hurt worse than they really were.

I can relate to that Joe DeAngelis story. As an amateur I had a hard punch but I ran into a couple of guys who simply refused to acknowledge that I could KO 'em. No respect at all for how hard I was hitting.
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Old 08-18-2007, 02:42 AM   #35
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ChrisPontius has it for me...only down twice, both of those very briefly, without any lingering after-effects, and taking many many punches otherwise without even stumbling.

The hypotheticals about how he'd do against a puncher like a Foreman or Tyson have to remina just that, hypotheticals. In terms of what Marciano was able to do at the time, he clearly had some real rock in that chin and I judge him on that.

Now, TKOing Marciano due to facial damage...that could be possible.
Knocking him out cold, I severely doubt anyone does that.
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Old 08-18-2007, 03:28 AM   #36
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NO ONE gave Marciano a test for power of high amplitude as a punch from George Foreman would provide.
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Old 08-18-2007, 03:19 PM   #37
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Old 08-18-2007, 03:38 PM   #38
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what silly people Marciano worshippers are.

GET REAL.
We have an uneducated Marciano hater here! There are lots of you here already, you should fit right in.
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Old 08-18-2007, 04:29 PM   #39
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Old 08-18-2007, 05:28 PM   #40
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ChrisPontius has it for me...only down twice, both of those very briefly, without any lingering after-effects, and taking many many punches otherwise without even stumbling.

The hypotheticals about how he'd do against a puncher like a Foreman or Tyson have to remina just that, hypotheticals. In terms of what Marciano was able to do at the time, he clearly had some real rock in that chin and I judge him on that.

Now, TKOing Marciano due to facial damage...that could be possible.
Knocking him out cold, I severely doubt anyone does that.

Getting hit by Foreman is not a good thing but Foreman getting hit by a puncher of Marciano's quality is not a good thing either,could Foreman take that punch?
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:57 PM   #41
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He didn't want to find out if he could take Shavers punch, so would he be doubtful against Marciano too?
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:26 PM   #42
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Marciano's chin was tested more than other more technically sound fighters because Marciano ate more shots flush. He was not a defensive wizard, he was not adept at rolling with shots. He was offensively minded and while Goldman brought him to get low and weave and move his head, he was not hard to find. He was also coming forward and wading into shots.
That's a good point that needs to be considered. Marciano was always there to be hit in his fights. Looking at his opposition he faced Louis (old but still a powerful puncher), Walcott (who decked Louis twice and did a spectacular one-punch KO over Charles), Charles (who killed a man in the ring), Moore. That's not just decent punchers, but world class fighters who had precision and timing as well. Against these and all others, Marciano was only really hurt once vs Walcott. Both his knockdowns were more a matter of being off-balance and getting hit hard, rather than any kind of weakness being shown in his chin. He got up fast both times and continued with no problem at all.

That's a pretty solid record. I mean who else had a clearly superior chin?

Louis - Knocked down loads of times and KOd a couple of times too.
Liston - KOd twice by Ali, hardly a big power puncher.
Ali - Great chin but he was knocked down by Henry Cooper, Frazier, Shavers
Holmes - another very good chin, but knocked down by Shavers and KOd by Tyson.
Tyson - knocked out several times
Lewis - 2 KOs vs fringe contenders

As we can see, Marciano has a very competitive record of resilience compared to other top heavyweight champions. The only quesiton mark is that he did not face really big power punchers like Foreman, Tyson, Shavers. That is enough to stop us saying he had the best ever chin, sure. But on his record he had a very solid chin indeed. There are very few boxers who have fought world class opposition and never been stopped. Marciano is one of them. As a naturally small man for the heavyweight division, that surely proves he had a great chin.
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:32 PM   #43
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Marciano ducked and slipped better than most give him credir for, but he did get hit solid, clean shots, Vingo,Layne,Charles,Moore,Walcott and Walcott could whack with the hook which he landed flush on Rocky in the 1st, Marciano was stunned by the force but I never seen him wobble or stagger, even a younger cruder version was not floored, and he was matched up early to lose
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