Gaining Mass Advice (Need Help)

[CrocodileFace]

Originally Posted by viru§™

Awful training schedule for a boxer.

He asked how to gain mass. That is not an Awful training schedule on how to build mass, and that's how i built mass before i started boxing.

Anyway, yea if you're looking to gain mass you'll need some supplements as well, buy a protein shake mix (i use EAS) and when you were working out you were working too many muscle groups. Feel free to accept my advice or not, PM me if you have specific questions. Good luck

[viru§™]

Originally Posted by CrocodileFace

He asked how to gain mass. That is not an Awful training schedule on how to build mass, and that's how i built mass before i started boxing.

You gained mass because you ate more not because of that bodybuilder routine.

Anyway, yea if you're looking to gain mass you'll need some supplements as well

BS.

[Mr. Blobby]

Originally Posted by viru§™

You gained mass because you ate more not because of that bodybuilder routine.



BS.

what are you saying then Virus? You can gain muscle mass by just eating???

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

If your body shape is thin as a consequence of genes and your parents are similar in build, it'll be tough for you to bulk up.

Boxing, by the amount of cardio work it entails, is the last exercise likely to add bulk to your body. Body builders are careful not to do too much cardio as it burns off the muscle they struggle so hard to gain.

Some body shapes won't be too fussed with a mixture of heavy weights & high exersion cardio work. But if you are a skinny build skipping rope & pounding out rounds in the ring won't put muscle on you. Not only that it'll undo the weights work as you'll sweat away most of the muscle gain as well.

[Mr. Blobby]

Originally Posted by COULDHAVEBEEN

If your body shape is thin as a consequence of genes and your parents are similar in build, it'll be tough for you to bulk up.

Boxing, by the amount of cardio work it entails, is the last exercise likely to add bulk to your body. Body builders are careful not to do too much cardio as it burns off the muscle they struggle so hard to gain.

Some body shapes won't be too fussed with a mixture of heavy weights & high exersion cardio work. But if you are a skinny build skipping rope & pounding out rounds in the ring won't put muscle on you. Not only that it'll undo the weights work as you'll sweat away most of the muscle gain as well.

Perhaps i should just concentrate on bulking first then and skip sparring and gym work. Will i lose all the muscle ive gained when i go back to heavy gym work and sparring? I am the skinny type just like you described.

[Bodi]

This "if you do fitness work you will lose muscle" is BS.

You eat big to get big. You then perform high intensity, anaerobic training (HIIT) and you lose any excess fat but you retain muscle.

Again, refer to my post earlier in this thread, or there was another poster who laid out a good plan for mass (sun-wed-fri protocol), follow this advice, eat like food is going out of fashion and you WILL get big. From there, replace some of the hypertrophy inducing workouts for high intensity fitness work, something like the crossfit metcon workouts and you WILL maintain the muscle that you put on.

[Mr. Blobby]

Originally Posted by Bodi

This "if you do fitness work you will lose muscle" is BS.

You eat big to get big. You then perform high intensity, anaerobic training (HIIT) and you lose any excess fat but you retain muscle.

Again, refer to my post earlier in this thread, or there was another poster who laid out a good plan for mass (mon-wed-fri protocol), follow this advice, eat like food is going out of fashion and you WILL get big. From there, replace some of the hypertrophy inducing workouts for high intensity fitness work, something like the crossfit metcon workouts and you WILL maintain the muscle that you put on.

I've heard that it is impossible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. What are your views?

[BlackWater]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blobby

what are you saying then Virus? You can gain muscle mass by just eating???

Obviously you need to lift hard, but eating is 90% of gaining mass. That's no lie either.

I've been lifting for about 2 years, but I've stayed very small as I was planning to fight at 135, but recently decided to move to 160. I went from 139 to 162 in a matter of 6-8 months after increasing my calorie intake by 1000-2000 kcal a day on top of what I was already eating. And it wasn't all fat. How do I know? I can still see abs, but my lifts have pretty much doubled or tripled in some cases.

[BlackWater]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blobby

I've heard that it is impossible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

This is a true statement.

Also what he said is 100% correct "Eat big to be big"

People cannot grasp this for some reason.

[Bodi]

Re: "I've heard that it is impossible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. What are your views? "

This is utter bollox - Nothing is impossible; however, there are good ways to do things and bad ways.

Take a bodybuilder for example, if they want to get big, they focus on exactly that. For their mass building period, bodyfat is simply a side effect of the calorific excess and lack of aerobic/anaerobic exercise.

If someone wants to build mass quickly, then it would be difficult to build the required mass whilst maintaining a low bodyfat percentage, but it is certainly not impossible.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

There's elements of truth in much of the above.

Here's some basics for weight gain:

1/ Put more in than you take out - you need to eat more than you burn off - and there's got to be plenty of protein in your diet to 'feed' muscle growth.

2/ Train heavy to get heavy - 6 to 12 reps should be all you can do before upping the weight.

3/ Go easy on the amount of cardio you do - skipping every day for instance is a no, no.

A good guide is comparing athletes from various disciplines:

In the extreme a distance runner, like boxers (except heavyweights), needs to be fine and able to train and perform huge cardio feats (like a boxer does his 12 x 3's). For this reason they are out pounding the pavement, as boxers do.

A 100 metre sprinter on the other hand needs to be big, strong & explosive, and you won't see them doing roadwork. They hang out at the gym!

[Mr. Blobby]

thanx everybody for your inputs, much appreciated.