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Old 04-12-2009, 08:40 PM   #16
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good call RDJ
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:14 PM   #17
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Awesome stuff.

Really very, very helpful.

Keep the advice coming lads, you can never learn too much.
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:29 PM   #18
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heres a wee bit

inside fighting:

In a clinch lean on your opponents strong arm to stop them punching

Move and create new angles in close

Dont put all your weight on opponent because if they move your off balance

Dont tie up if you dont have to punch instead especially in Ams people dont expect it and it demoralises them

Throw a slapping right hand and paw your opponentsleft glove away from their face to make room for a right hook (same with left hand)

Try to double up hooks to head and body so you make your opponents guard move but dont get too predictable
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:51 PM   #19
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Any advice on how to protect or stop guys going to the body?

Especially in the amateurs if your in punching range and it being a scoring zone.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:23 AM   #20
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heres a wee bit

inside fighting:

In a clinch lean on your opponents strong arm to stop them punching

Move and create new angles in close

Dont put all your weight on opponent because if they move your off balance

Dont tie up if you dont have to punch instead especially in Ams people dont expect it and it demoralises them

Throw a slapping right hand and paw your opponentsleft glove away from their face to make room for a right hook (same with left hand)

Try to double up hooks to head and body so you make your opponents guard move but dont get too predictable
Open up the guard by punching to the body, it doesn't matter if it's close to his kidneys, because the intention is to draw his elbow away. As soon as the gap shows between his elbows, throw an uppercut. The classic right hook - right uppercut combination James Toney likes so much, it works very often.
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Old 04-13-2009, 05:06 AM   #21
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Any advice on how to protect or stop guys going to the body?

Especially in the amateurs if your in punching range and it being a scoring zone.
body punches often dont score in the ams but if you are fightng a body puncher stay real low

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Open up the guard by punching to the body, it doesn't matter if it's close to his kidneys, because the intention is to draw his elbow away. As soon as the gap shows between his elbows, throw an uppercut. The classic right hook - right uppercut combination James Toney likes so much, it works very often.
yeh thats a good one, i have been working on the opposite right uppercut to plexus right hook over the top ala Mike Tyson
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Old 04-13-2009, 08:53 AM   #22
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Method #1:


My favorite method; stay just outside of his range most of the time and pick your spots carefully but equally violently. The best way to do this is to time his jab or right hand, duck/slip, step inside, and BANG! throw a hard counter right followed by a left hook, uppercut, or whatever you like. AND DON'T STOP PUNCHING! The tall man will do anything to keep the fight on the outside, so once you're inside your only have precious time; you can't afford to relax or let him off the hook. This is your time so use it damnit!

When he gets out of range or ties you up, you simply start over, by staying just a little bit away from his range. Depending on him, you will either back up or come forward slowly. When he makes his move, you make yours. Of course, you have to add some variation to not become predictable, so you can add a few jabs or come in using a Tysonesque bob and weave attack. Keeping a tight, high guard throoghout is very important.

A great example of landing a right hand over the jab can be seen here, watch it at 5:10 and watch it ten times in a row. I did. This is what boxing is all about:

BORKED

For an execution of this general gameplan, Ruslan Chagaev vs Felix Savon is a nice blueprint:
(his pro fight with Valuev is good for this as well, but that should be slow-motion compared to what you're doing)

BORKED
I have to say, this is my favourite method also. That clip at 5:10-ish in the Haye-Maccarinelli fight is a perfect example. Obviously there's other ways to try and take the jab away, a much more difficult way for example would be perhaps turning southpaw and jabbing over the top, but it's still not going to take his jab away is it, it just means you are working extra hard to deal with it in a more effective way.

Timeing a simple jab, stepping and landing a huge punch like the one in the Maccarinelli fight is going to make him think twice about throwing it again, and therefore you are limiting his range finder and reach to an extent.
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I have to say, this is my favourite method also. That clip at 5:10-ish in the Haye-Maccarinelli fight is a perfect example. Obviously there's other ways to try and take the jab away, a much more difficult way for example would be perhaps turning southpaw and jabbing over the top, but it's still not going to take his jab away is it, it just means you are working extra hard to deal with it in a more effective way.

Timeing a simple jab, stepping and landing a huge punch like the one in the Maccarinelli fight is going to make him think twice about throwing it again, and therefore you are limiting his range finder and reach to an extent.
theres no need to turn southpaw just throw a right lead over the top works good but takes alot of practise and you can follow it up with a left hook, its a great move

or throwing your own jab short then stepping in with straight right on their jaw can make guys think about it
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theres no need to turn southpaw just throw a right lead over the top works good but takes alot of practise and you can follow it up with a left hook, its a great move

or throwing your own jab short then stepping in with straight right on their jaw can make guys think about it
Depends how good the guy is at using the range. Obviously if he jabs with authority, he's going to land a stiff jab before your going to land a lead right, if you land it at all.
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Depends how good the guy is at using the range. Obviously if he jabs with authority, he's going to land a stiff jab before your going to land a lead right, if you land it at all.
good point especially if they double up jabs
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A tip for if you find youself in the corner is to push down on either of your opponents shoulders, making them go forward and off balance, then spin off as they go to the ring post.

Be careful tho, if you hold on for to long, it's a wee bit illegal.

An alternative is to push up on their elbow, making them go backwards.
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A tip for if you find youself in the corner is to push down on either of your opponents shoulders, making them go forward and off balance, then spin off as they go to the ring post.

Be careful tho, if you hold on for to long, it's a wee bit illegal.

An alternative is to push up on their elbow, making them go backwards.
good advice but you have to be quick

another one is to hook with one hand and move the opposite way out of the corner

just tie them up

put your hand on the back of their head and spin them (a bit illegal)

also this works in novice Am bouts as soon as your back touches the ropes/corner just start throwing
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good adivce i need to go to a gym soon i know i can do well if i tstart soon
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good adivce i need to go to a gym soon i know i can do well if i tstart soon
try the ABA website to find a gym theres good ones in London

do you live near the Repton
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the mayweather style is called the shoulder roll. Floyd sr practices it in his gym
I thought it was called 52 blocks :/
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