PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) - Page 4

scurlaruntings · 05-08-2009, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by whit

JMM is close but I think PBF edges him.

Its not close in the slightest. PBF is a far superior boxer than Marquez FACT.

VARG · 05-08-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny_Rand

Floyd KO's Marquez at 135, its not a question of rocked.

Diaz is a feather fisted puncher who was able to visibly hurt Marquez on numerous occasions most of the time when Marquez was backing up. Not only that he was winning the fight. Corley caught Floyd once coming in, but Floyd still won basically all of the rounds. Corley evn had Cotto doing the shuffle. This was at 140 btw. Not 135.

Floyd would KO Marquez at 135, and he will KO Marquez at 144.

Marquez never did have a great chin, but his conditioning and heart allowed him to have success regardless.

Diaz was winning rounds solely on workrate most of those shots had no pop (the ones that hurt Marquez were the ones Diaz had to lunge in the air with ala Frazier), but Marquez was for obvious reasons working on something more than a decision win.

You are in for a huge shock when Marquez is able to time Mayweather's jab to the body and counter him coming in. Judah was able to do it and Marquez will definitely be able to do it better.

Once Mayweather stops putting on the pressure because of the success of Marquez's countering and goes on the defensive with the shoulder rolling BS, Marquez will either be KO'd or win a SD based on work ethic.

Expect Mayweather to be bleeding for the first time as well...he's 32 now

VARG · 05-08-2009, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Its not close in the slightest. PBF is a far superior boxer than Marquez FACT.

Opinion...but one with much merit.

Should Marquez win, would you say otherwise?

Danny_Rand · 05-08-2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by VARG

with the shoulder rolling BS, .

Shoulder rolling BS.

Some of Floyds best stoppages and punches have come off of catching fighters fists on his shoulders, then countering with an upper cut.

Lets hope that Marquez respects Floyds BS more then you do. Or else its gonna be a long night.

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Judah was able to do it and Marquez will definitely be able to do it better.

Judah is faster and a fighter who naturally fights at junior welterweight and welter. He was only able to win 3 rounds before he was dominated. You better hope Marquez does it signficantly better.

scurlaruntings · 05-08-2009, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by VARG

Opinion...but one with much merit.

Should Marquez win, would you say otherwise?

Not much merit

How many of Floyds clinics have you seen son?

shinkijin · 05-08-2009, 05:29 AM

I've got a somewhat strange opinion about all of this. I believe that the Technical skills of both fighters are somewhat equal, perhaps I'd give a slight advantage for PBF. The way I see it, tho, is that Mayweather is just more inclined to fight defensively, while JMM is the more aggressive puncher of the two.

I'd give the physical advantages in PBF's favor too, what w/ his obvious edges in Size, reach, speed, and strength. Marquez IS getting up there in age. But I'd never count JMM out till the bell rings.

GOD I wish PBF would fight some legit welters. That'd give him more credibility, win or lose.

Danny_Rand · 05-08-2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by shinkijin

I've got a somewhat strange opinion about all of this. I believe that the Technical skills of both fighters are somewhat equal, perhaps I'd give a slight advantage for PBF. The way I see it, tho, is that Mayweather is just more inclined to fight defensively, while JMM is the more aggressive puncher of the two.

I'd give the physical advantages in PBF's favor too, what w/ his obvious edges in Size, reach, speed, and strength. Marquez IS getting up there in age. But I'd never count JMM out till the bell rings.

GOD I wish PBF would fight some legit welters. That'd give him more credibility, win or lose.

I agree with this. Boxing ability wise they are about equal. What sets Floyd apart is his athleticism.

psychopath · 05-08-2009, 05:38 AM

Pac said . . . "I think" . . . he didn't proclaim it as fact

I actually found contradiction in that statement . . . how can anybody say that a slower fighter is a better boxer and counter puncher than the faster one?

. . . considering JMM and PBF are both accurate punchers.

Just my thoughts.

sweetray · 05-08-2009, 06:16 AM

In another thread, Roach and Arum also agree that Mayweather is boring because he runs too much.

san rafael · 05-08-2009, 06:23 AM

Pacquiao is right about the speed. Marquez isn't as quick as he once was, that's to begin with. I haven't liked how his 'facilities' have looked going back to the Barrera fight or earlier. People aren't talking about it, and Juan Manuel's last two fights have done a good job of covering the perception, but Marquez is already on the fade, and has been for minute, IMCV. Mayweather will be faster, harder hitting, bigger, stronger, better defended, more dynamic, and everything that will go along with all of it. This is going to make fighting Chris John in Indonesia for $30 look like a good idea.

koko of phil · 05-08-2009, 07:07 AM

I don't think so. JMM is better, but PBF is much better.

Kurdapyo · 05-08-2009, 07:42 AM

No trash talk. This is the truth.

dangerousity · 05-08-2009, 08:18 AM

I kind of agree. IMO JMM is faster on the counter punching and throws the better combinations. Floyd has better defense and is faster...and a lot bigger in this case too.

PH|LLA · 05-08-2009, 08:27 AM

I expect JMM to give PBF a very hard fight although i'll wait till i see the training camps to make my final decision. Pac is pretty much spot on.

littlefloyd · 05-08-2009, 08:41 AM

Pac's opinion is based solely on his real fights with marquez and watching vids of mayweather(although i doubt it he watched a lot of floyd's vid).

When he's on the ring with floyd im pretty sure he would change that opinion of his. Floyd is just the better boxer in any weight class

05-08-2009, 05:29 AM	#51
shinkijin Freeloader Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 89 vCash: 1000	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) I've got a somewhat strange opinion about all of this. I believe that the Technical skills of both fighters are somewhat equal, perhaps I'd give a slight advantage for PBF. The way I see it, tho, is that Mayweather is just more inclined to fight defensively, while JMM is the more aggressive puncher of the two. I'd give the physical advantages in PBF's favor too, what w/ his obvious edges in Size, reach, speed, and strength. Marquez IS getting up there in age. But I'd never count JMM out till the bell rings. GOD I wish PBF would fight some legit welters. That'd give him more credibility, win or lose.
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05-08-2009, 05:38 AM	#53
psychopath D' "X" Factor East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . WORST Nightmare Posts: 15,657 vCash: 2065	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) Pac said . . . "I think" . . . he didn't proclaim it as fact I actually found contradiction in that statement . . . how can anybody say that a slower fighter is a better boxer and counter puncher than the faster one? . . . considering JMM and PBF are both accurate punchers. Just my thoughts.
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05-08-2009, 06:16 AM	#54
sweetray Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,384 vCash: 1000	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) In another thread, Roach and Arum also agree that Mayweather is boring because he runs too much.
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05-08-2009, 06:23 AM	#55
san rafael 0.00% lemming East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Rafael, CA Posts: 14,339 vCash: 186	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) Pacquiao is right about the speed. Marquez isn't as quick as he once was, that's to begin with. I haven't liked how his 'facilities' have looked going back to the Barrera fight or earlier. People aren't talking about it, and Juan Manuel's last two fights have done a good job of covering the perception, but Marquez is already on the fade, and has been for minute, IMCV. Mayweather will be faster, harder hitting, bigger, stronger, better defended, more dynamic, and everything that will go along with all of it. This is going to make fighting Chris John in Indonesia for $30 look like a good idea.
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05-08-2009, 07:07 AM	#56
koko of phil Ring of Fire Resident ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Marcel Drive Posts: 1,201 vCash: 1000	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) I don't think so. JMM is better, but PBF is much better.
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05-08-2009, 07:42 AM	#57
Kurdapyo Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 732 vCash: 1000	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) No trash talk. This is the truth.
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05-08-2009, 08:18 AM	#58
dangerousity Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 7,445 vCash: 204	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) I kind of agree. IMO JMM is faster on the counter punching and throws the better combinations. Floyd has better defense and is faster...and a lot bigger in this case too.
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PH\|LLA ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: YUL Posts: 46,635 vCash: 5685	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) I expect JMM to give PBF a very hard fight although i'll wait till i see the training camps to make my final decision. Pac is pretty much spot on.
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05-08-2009, 08:41 AM	#60
littlefloyd Pure boxer ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,173 vCash: 1000	Re: PAC: I think Marquez is the better boxer(than Mayweather) Pac's opinion is based solely on his real fights with marquez and watching vids of mayweather(although i doubt it he watched a lot of floyd's vid). When he's on the ring with floyd im pretty sure he would change that opinion of his. Floyd is just the better boxer in any weight class
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