Whether you agree or disagree, can ranking Pacquiao over Chavez be justified? - Page 2

HomicideHenry · 05-25-2009, 10:58 PM

Pacquia is a great fighter, no doubt about that, but Chavez is a legend.

I know that word is thrown around alot, but its no bullshit. The man borders on mythic in certain parts of the world. Its alot like Joe Louis. Louis probably would have lost to Ali, but Louis, for the most part, was just as big, if not bigger, than Muhammad Ali in his time. He wasnt just a great fighter, he was a legend in other aspects too.

Chavez in terms of reputation, in terms of fan base, in terms of appearance alone, is bigger than Pacquia is today.

Would I rank Pacquia over him? Maybe, if he secures a few more wins against guys like Mayweather, Cotto, and Williams....but for my money, Armstrong out does Pacquia for LIFE!

PunchOut · 05-26-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Axl_Nose

I'd say that Pac can be compared to Chavez .. But to compare either of these 2 guys to Hearns, Hagler and Jones is a stretch for me .. You can put Hopkins in with Pac and Chavez ..

Hagler, Hearns and Jones are far superior than any of the other guys mentioned in my opinion

for me Chavez is superior to Hagler, Hearns and Jones

Pac comes 5

The Wanderer · 05-26-2009, 05:03 PM

Voted for option 2. I don't currently rank Pac higher than Chavez, but by the time it's all said and done Pac may well have earned a higher spot, and I think he's earned the right to put into the same tier as Chavez, (say around 10-15 spots on the ATG list) although probably not higher yet.

la-califa · 05-27-2009, 12:37 PM

Also consider: Who won more World Championship bouts? Who defeated more past or present world champions? Who had the longer undefeated streak? More title defenses? Although Pacquaio is a great fighter, does he compare with a legend...

PunchOut · 05-27-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by la-califa

Also consider: Who won more World Championship bouts? Who defeated more past or present world champions? Who had the longer undefeated streak? More title defenses? Although Pacquaio is a great fighter, does he compare with a legend...

Agree

GPater11093 · 05-27-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Axl_Nose

I think Duran and Pryor destroy Pac at 140. I think Duran destroys Chavez but i think Chavez could take Pryor ..
Styles make fights .. As a statistical record i think Pac can be compared to Pac but if there was a showdown between the 2 at 135 or 140 i'd go with Chavez ....

I'd go with Pernell to outbox Pac comfortably too

yes i agree Pac can be compared to Pac

Rock0052 · 05-27-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GPater11093

yes i agree Pac can be compared to Pac

I disagree. Pac's clearly superior to Pac, and it's an insult to mention the two in the same sentence.

GPater11093 · 05-27-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock0052

I disagree. Pac's clearly superior to Pac, and it's an insult to mention the two in the same sentence.

well on one hand pac was better than pac but pac fought pac and got a bette result so is pac truly better than pac?

MAG1965 · 05-27-2009, 10:48 PM

What maybe gets Pac rated over Chavez is the quality of opposition. On another thread the question is who is greater pacman or Hearns, and I say Hearns because of opposition and wins over opposition. With Chavez, Chavez dominated guys like Haugen and Rosario but did not beat up Oscar or Pernell. So I think he reached the level where he was not as good and couldn't dominate the same as he could before. Julio was still great, but he reached that level where he could not do as much. Pacman looks like he can go a little further by beating top level. I am still not convinced he can beat Mayweather. We will have to see how sharp Mayweather is with Marquez. I think he will beat Marquez but I am not sure how. A tough fight would be good for Mayweather. Would get the rust off. I do think Chavez would have beaten Hatton.

Minotauro · 05-28-2009, 09:00 AM

I have Chavez ahead but not by a huge margin pac can still add to his leagcy thier are a few massive fights out their for him.

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HomicideHenry Bareknuckle Brawler ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Buckeye State Posts: 3,854 vCash: 1061	Re: Whether you agree or disagree, can ranking Pacquiao over Chavez be justified? Pacquia is a great fighter, no doubt about that, but Chavez is a legend. I know that word is thrown around alot, but its no bullshit. The man borders on mythic in certain parts of the world. Its alot like Joe Louis. Louis probably would have lost to Ali, but Louis, for the most part, was just as big, if not bigger, than Muhammad Ali in his time. He wasnt just a great fighter, he was a legend in other aspects too. Chavez in terms of reputation, in terms of fan base, in terms of appearance alone, is bigger than Pacquia is today. Would I rank Pacquia over him? Maybe, if he secures a few more wins against guys like Mayweather, Cotto, and Williams....but for my money, Armstrong out does Pacquia for LIFE!
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The Wanderer Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New York Posts: 1,861 vCash: 343	Re: Whether you agree or disagree, can ranking Pacquiao over Chavez be justified? Voted for option 2. I don't currently rank Pac higher than Chavez, but by the time it's all said and done Pac may well have earned a higher spot, and I think he's earned the right to put into the same tier as Chavez, (say around 10-15 spots on the ATG list) although probably not higher yet.
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la-califa Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: City of Angels Posts: 3,159 vCash: 1000	Re: Whether you agree or disagree, can ranking Pacquiao over Chavez be justified? Also consider: Who won more World Championship bouts? Who defeated more past or present world champions? Who had the longer undefeated streak? More title defenses? Although Pacquaio is a great fighter, does he compare with a legend...
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MAG1965 P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dallas,Texas. Posts: 18,277 vCash: 1010	Re: Whether you agree or disagree, can ranking Pacquiao over Chavez be justified? What maybe gets Pac rated over Chavez is the quality of opposition. On another thread the question is who is greater pacman or Hearns, and I say Hearns because of opposition and wins over opposition. With Chavez, Chavez dominated guys like Haugen and Rosario but did not beat up Oscar or Pernell. So I think he reached the level where he was not as good and couldn't dominate the same as he could before. Julio was still great, but he reached that level where he could not do as much. Pacman looks like he can go a little further by beating top level. I am still not convinced he can beat Mayweather. We will have to see how sharp Mayweather is with Marquez. I think he will beat Marquez but I am not sure how. A tough fight would be good for Mayweather. Would get the rust off. I do think Chavez would have beaten Hatton.
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Minotauro Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: London Posts: 2,886 vCash: 1000	Re: Whether you agree or disagree, can ranking Pacquiao over Chavez be justified? I have Chavez ahead but not by a huge margin pac can still add to his leagcy thier are a few massive fights out their for him.
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