ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division - P4P Survey Updated in October 2011

Rumsfeld · 07-20-2009, 12:17 AM

I will just use this thread to post all of our results.

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 1675 Muhammad Ali (52)
2. 1375 Joe Louis (23)
3. 638 Rocky Marciano (1)
4. 580 Larry Holmes
5. 488 Lennox Lewis (1)
6. 462 Jack Johnson (1)
7. 318 (tie) George Foreman
7. 318 (tie) Jack Dempsey (2)
9. 233 Mike Tyson
10. 221 Joe Frazier

Heavyweights Receiving Votes: 22
Number of Voting Participants: 80
Poll Started: June 23, 2009
Poll Closed: July 19, 2009

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LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 971 Ezzard Charles (30)
2. 652 Archie Moore (4)
3. 557 Gene Tunney (8 )
4. 452 Sam Langford (4)
5. 328 Michael Spinks (1)
6. 288 Bob Foster
7. 181 Harry Greb
8. 148 Billy Conn
9. 140 Tommy Loughran
10. 81 Bob Fitzsimmons

Light Heavyweights Receiving Votes: 26
Number of Voting Participants: 47
Poll Started: July 20, 2009
Poll Closed: August 20, 2009

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MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 736 Carlos Monzon (13)
2. 718 Harry Greb (15)
3. 606 Marvin Hagler (8 )
4. 513 Sugar Ray Robinson (5)
5. 214 Bernard Hopkins
6. 155 Bob Fitzsimmons (2)
7. 140 Charles Burley
8. 121 Stanley Ketchel
9. 120 Mickey Walker
10. 116 Dick Tiger

Middleweights Receiving Votes: 36
Number of Voting Participants: 45
Poll Started: August 26, 2009
Poll Closed: September 23, 2009

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WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 1049 Sugar Ray Robinson (41)
2. 524 Sugar Ray Leonard
3. 322 Henry Armstrong
4. 301 Jose Napoles
5. 275 Kid Gavilan
6. 207 Emile Griffith
7. 174 Tommy Hearns
8. 129 Luis Rodriguez
9. 111 Barbados Joe Walcott
10. 87 Mickey Walker

Welterweights Receiving Votes: 35
Number of Voting Participants: 43
Poll Started: September 23, 2009
Poll Closed: October 22, 2009

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LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 605 Roberto Duran (15)
2. 593 Benny Leonard (14)
3. 348 Joe Gans (2)
4. 243 Pernell Whitaker
5. 230 Henry Armstrong
6. 217 Ike Williams
7. 168 Carlos Ortiz
8. 87 Tony Canzoneri
9. 51 Barney Ross
10. 47 Jack McAulife (1)

Lightweights Receiving Votes: 27
Number of Voting Participants: 32
Poll Started: October 30, 2009
Poll Closed: November 19, 2009

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FEATHERWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 547 Willie Pep (13)
2. 442 Henry Armstrong (6)
3. 399 Sandy Saddler(4)
4. 314 Salvador Sanchez (5)
5. 129 Abe Attell (1)
6. 115 Jim Driscoll
7. 109 Alexis Arguello
8. 88 Vincente Saldivar
9. 67 Manny Pacquiao (1)
10. 61 George Dixon

Featherweights Receiving Votes: 28
Number of Voting Participants: 30
Poll Started: December 9, 2009
Poll Closed: January 19, 2010

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BANTAMWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 470 Eder Jofre (14)
2. 301 Ruben Olivares (4)
3. 256 Manuel Ortiz (1)
4. 186 Panama Al Brown (2)
5. 183 Terry McGovern (1)
6. 165 Carlos Zarate
7. 135 George Dixon (1)
8. 77 Fighting Harada
9. 64 Pete Herman
10. 15 Bud Taylor

Bantamweights Receiving Votes: 26
Number of Voting Participants: 23
Poll Started: February 10, 2010
Poll Closed: April 27, 2010

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FLYWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 357 Jimmy Wilde (12)
2. 244 Miguel Canto (4)
3. 151 Pascual Perez
4. 125 Pancho Villa
5. 113 Benny Lynch
6. 97 Fidel LaBarba
7. 51 Frankie Genaro
8. 45 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
9. 43 Midget Wolgast
10. 25 Newsboy Brown

Flyweights Receiving Votes: 24
Number of Voting Participants: 16
Poll Started: April 29, 2010
Poll Closed: September 22, 2010

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P4P RESULTS:

1. 1102 Sugar Ray Robinson (34)
2. 677 Harry Greb (7)
3. 617 Henry Armstrong (2)
4. 542 Sam Langford (8)
5. 265 Ezzard Charles
6. 236 Roberto Duran
7. 231 Muhammad Ali (1)
8. 179 Bob Fitzsimmons (2)
9. 152 Willie Pep
10. 138 Benny Leonard (1)

Fighters Receiving Votes: 41
Number of Voting Participants: 56
Poll Started: September 23, 2010
Poll Closed: October 27, 2010

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Rattler · 07-20-2009, 01:13 AM

Mike Tyson making that list is ridiculous.

Rumsfeld · 07-20-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rattler

Mike Tyson making that list is ridiculous.

I honestly don't think he belongs there, either, but he's somewhere close to my top 10.

IntentionalButt · 07-20-2009, 02:10 AM

Way too few points for Holmes. I didn't realize there was a cutoff date.

Mirko · 07-20-2009, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rattler

Mike Tyson making that list is ridiculous.

not.

bored · 07-20-2009, 09:45 AM

No Liston? ESB is crazy!

Rumsfeld · 07-20-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bored

No Liston? ESB is crazy!

Liston finished 11th JUST outside the top ten.

IntentionalButt · 07-20-2009, 02:14 PM

Not that it'll change anything but can I kick Larry 25 pts just to get him over the 600 hump?

He was more than one third the fighter Clay was (as this ranking indicates)!

Zakman · 07-23-2009, 06:07 PM

Lewis overrated. No surprise there.

McGrain · 07-23-2009, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakman

Lewis overrated. No surprise there.

Yeah. EVERYONE overates him except you.

Have a word with yourself.

Zakman · 07-23-2009, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McGrain

Yeah. EVERYONE overates him except you.

Not everyone.

McGrain · 07-23-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakman

Not everyone.

ESB Classic, as a whole, has overated him according to you.

There's a clue in there somewhere.

Rattler · 07-23-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McGrain

ESB Classic, as a whole, has overated him according to you.

There's a clue in there somewhere.

Zakman is misguided.

I will have my cookie now.

PetethePrince · 07-24-2009, 08:37 PM

Actually, I think Lewis is overrated too. Relax with the retorts McGrain.

Sweet Pea · 07-25-2009, 12:47 AM

I generally think Lennox is pretty overrated as well. Not nearly as much as Zakman, though.

07-20-2009, 12:17 AM	#1
Rumsfeld Moderator East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Go to the Mushroom Mag! Posts: 57,028 vCash: 1372	ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division - P4P Survey Updated in October 2011 I will just use this thread to post all of our results. HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS: 1. 1675 Muhammad Ali (52) 2. 1375 Joe Louis (23) 3. 638 Rocky Marciano (1) 4. 580 Larry Holmes 5. 488 Lennox Lewis (1) 6. 462 Jack Johnson (1) 7. 318 (tie) George Foreman 7. 318 (tie) Jack Dempsey (2) 9. 233 Mike Tyson 10. 221 Joe Frazier Heavyweights Receiving Votes: 22 Number of Voting Participants: 80 Poll Started: June 23, 2009 Poll Closed: July 19, 2009 To read and debate the All-Time Heavyweight Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] To read the article inspired by this survey: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS: 1. 971 Ezzard Charles (30) 2. 652 Archie Moore (4) 3. 557 Gene Tunney (8 ) 4. 452 Sam Langford (4) 5. 328 Michael Spinks (1) 6. 288 Bob Foster 7. 181 Harry Greb 8. 148 Billy Conn 9. 140 Tommy Loughran 10. 81 Bob Fitzsimmons Light Heavyweights Receiving Votes: 26 Number of Voting Participants: 47 Poll Started: July 20, 2009 Poll Closed: August 20, 2009 To read and debate the All-Time Light Heavyweight Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] To read the article inspired by this survey: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS: 1. 736 Carlos Monzon (13) 2. 718 Harry Greb (15) 3. 606 Marvin Hagler (8 ) 4. 513 Sugar Ray Robinson (5) 5. 214 Bernard Hopkins 6. 155 Bob Fitzsimmons (2) 7. 140 Charles Burley 8. 121 Stanley Ketchel 9. 120 Mickey Walker 10. 116 Dick Tiger Middleweights Receiving Votes: 36 Number of Voting Participants: 45 Poll Started: August 26, 2009 Poll Closed: September 23, 2009 To read and debate the All-Time Middleweight Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] To read the article inspired by this survey: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS: 1. 1049 Sugar Ray Robinson (41) 2. 524 Sugar Ray Leonard 3. 322 Henry Armstrong 4. 301 Jose Napoles 5. 275 Kid Gavilan 6. 207 Emile Griffith 7. 174 Tommy Hearns 8. 129 Luis Rodriguez 9. 111 Barbados Joe Walcott 10. 87 Mickey Walker Welterweights Receiving Votes: 35 Number of Voting Participants: 43 Poll Started: September 23, 2009 Poll Closed: October 22, 2009 To read and debate the All-Time Welterweight Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] To read the article inspired by this survey: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS: 1. 605 Roberto Duran (15) 2. 593 Benny Leonard (14) 3. 348 Joe Gans (2) 4. 243 Pernell Whitaker 5. 230 Henry Armstrong 6. 217 Ike Williams 7. 168 Carlos Ortiz 8. 87 Tony Canzoneri 9. 51 Barney Ross 10. 47 Jack McAulife (1) Lightweights Receiving Votes: 27 Number of Voting Participants: 32 Poll Started: October 30, 2009 Poll Closed: November 19, 2009 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]To read and debate the All-Time Lightweight Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] To read the article inspired by this survey: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] FEATHERWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS: 1. 547 Willie Pep (13) 2. 442 Henry Armstrong (6) 3. 399 Sandy Saddler(4) 4. 314 Salvador Sanchez (5) 5. 129 Abe Attell (1) 6. 115 Jim Driscoll 7. 109 Alexis Arguello 8. 88 Vincente Saldivar 9. 67 Manny Pacquiao (1) 10. 61 George Dixon Featherweights Receiving Votes: 28 Number of Voting Participants: 30 Poll Started: December 9, 2009 Poll Closed: January 19, 2010 To read and debate the All-Time Featherweight Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] To read the article inspired by this survey: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] BANTAMWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS: 1. 470 Eder Jofre (14) 2. 301 Ruben Olivares (4) 3. 256 Manuel Ortiz (1) 4. 186 Panama Al Brown (2) 5. 183 Terry McGovern (1) 6. 165 Carlos Zarate 7. 135 George Dixon (1) 8. 77 Fighting Harada 9. 64 Pete Herman 10. 15 Bud Taylor Bantamweights Receiving Votes: 26 Number of Voting Participants: 23 Poll Started: February 10, 2010 Poll Closed: April 27, 2010 To read and debate the All-Time Bantamweight Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] To read the article inspired by this survey: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] FLYWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS: 1. 357 Jimmy Wilde (12) 2. 244 Miguel Canto (4) 3. 151 Pascual Perez 4. 125 Pancho Villa 5. 113 Benny Lynch 6. 97 Fidel LaBarba 7. 51 Frankie Genaro 8. 45 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 9. 43 Midget Wolgast 10. 25 Newsboy Brown Flyweights Receiving Votes: 24 Number of Voting Participants: 16 Poll Started: April 29, 2010 Poll Closed: September 22, 2010 To read and debate the All-Time Flyweight Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] To read the article inspired by this survey: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] P4P RESULTS: 1. 1102 Sugar Ray Robinson (34) 2. 677 Harry Greb (7) 3. 617 Henry Armstrong (2) 4. 542 Sam Langford (8) 5. 265 Ezzard Charles 6. 236 Roberto Duran 7. 231 Muhammad Ali (1) 8. 179 Bob Fitzsimmons (2) 9. 152 Willie Pep 10. 138 Benny Leonard (1) Fighters Receiving Votes: 41 Number of Voting Participants: 56 Poll Started: September 23, 2010 Poll Closed: October 27, 2010 To read and debate the All-Time P4P Poll: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Last edited by Rumsfeld; 10-28-2011 at 01:44 AM.
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07-20-2009, 01:13 AM	#2
Rattler R.I.P. - George Jones East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Grand Tour Posts: 34,250 vCash: 75	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division Mike Tyson making that list is ridiculous.
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07-20-2009, 02:10 AM	#4
IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 123,230 vCash: 9953	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division Way too few points for Holmes. I didn't realize there was a cutoff date.
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07-20-2009, 09:45 AM	#6
bored rent boy ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,371 vCash: 1000	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division No Liston? ESB is crazy!
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07-20-2009, 02:14 PM	#8
IntentionalButt Nash Equilibrium Debunker East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 123,230 vCash: 9953	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division Not that it'll change anything but can I kick Larry 25 pts just to get him over the 600 hump? He was more than one third the fighter Clay was (as this ranking indicates)!
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07-23-2009, 06:07 PM	#9
Zakman ESB's Chinchecker East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Ivory Tower Posts: 40,637 vCash: 500	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division Lewis overrated. No surprise there.
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07-24-2009, 08:37 PM	#14
PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded East Side VIP Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 15,207 vCash: 1200	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division Actually, I think Lewis is overrated too. Relax with the retorts McGrain.
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07-25-2009, 12:47 AM	#15
Sweet Pea P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I never sleep, cuz sleep is the cousin of death Posts: 16,432 vCash: 1000	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division I generally think Lennox is pretty overrated as well. Not nearly as much as Zakman, though.
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