ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division - P4P Survey Updated in October 2011 - Page 2

teeto · 07-25-2009, 08:53 AM

Wether he is overrated in terms of ability or not, Lennox is clearly inside the top ten.

keith · 07-25-2009, 07:32 PM

I think Foreman is the morst overrated guy in the list. Out of 0ver 100 years of heavyweight fighting, Foreman spent roughly 1.5 years as the best heavyweight in the world.

To me that doesn't get you in the top ten.

Keith

teeto · 07-25-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by keith

I think Foreman is the morst overrated guy in the list. Out of 0ver 100 years of heavyweight fighting, Foreman spent roughly 1.5 years as the best heavyweight in the world.

To me that doesn't get you in the top ten.

Keith

It's subjective though, he fought in a golden era, got some very good wins, and has that second career which can bolster his standing. I'm not a Foreman fan or anything, just playing Devil's advocate.

keith · 07-25-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by teeto

It's subjective though, he fought in a golden era, got some very good wins, and has that second career which can bolster his standing. I'm not a Foreman fan or anything, just playing Devil's advocate.

It's obviously subjective, but I can't rate anyone in the top ten who didn't spend at least 1 % of the time as the best fighter.

Keith

teeto · 07-25-2009, 07:45 PM

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It's obviously subjective, but I can't rate anyone in the top ten who didn't spend at least 1 % of the time as the best fighter.

Keith

Yeah it's more resume than time with a belt though imo. Maybe if he fought in a less stacked era he would be dominant, you just don't know.

Again, just devil's advocate really.

PetethePrince · 07-25-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by teeto

Wether he is overrated in terms of ability or not, Lennox is clearly inside the top ten.

In your mind. He doesn't make my top 10 list.

As for Foreman. I think he gets underrated here and on ESB. Monster era with a lot of big ones and good performances.

teeto · 07-25-2009, 07:59 PM

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In your mind. He doesn't make my top 10 list.

As for Foreman. I think he gets underrated here and on ESB. Monster era with a lot of big ones and good performances.

Yeah, in my mind!

DemolitionDan · 07-27-2009, 02:00 AM

Just curious, but why just the original 8 divisions why not do the Super and Junior weights as well?

As for the Foreman discussion I feel he is one of the best Heavyweights of All Time. He was in a great era of Heavyweight Boxing. He destroyed fighters like Frazier, and Norton who are great themselves. He got beat by the best Heavyweight of All Time, and there is no shame in that. I wouldn't put Wladimir Klitschko ahead of a fighter like Foreman just because Wlad has pretty much been the best for about 3 years now.

Rumsfeld · 07-27-2009, 02:32 AM

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Just curious, but why just the original 8 divisions why not do the Super and Junior weights as well?

We may get to that eventually.

For now, the goal is 8 original weight classes followed by all-time P4P rankings.

Sweet Pea · 07-27-2009, 12:04 PM

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Just curious, but why just the original 8 divisions why not do the Super and Junior weights as well?

Because noone in their right mind would try to do a 32 man Tournament with Cruiserweights or Strawweights.

Flea Man · 07-27-2009, 12:26 PM

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Because noone in their right mind would try to do a 32 man Tournament with Cruiserweights or Strawweights.

teeto · 07-27-2009, 02:37 PM

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Because noone in their right mind would try to do a 32 man Tournament with Cruiserweights or Strawweights.

Wow, just imagine the strawweight one, i might not even get involved if someone does that tournament.

Flea Man · 07-27-2009, 02:38 PM

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Wow, just imagine the strawweight one, i might not even get involved if someone does that tournament.

Well, I think the winner is pretty much clear. Unless anyone knows of someone who could have a GOOD case for beating Lopez?

teeto · 07-27-2009, 02:41 PM

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Well, I think the winner is pretty much clear.

I know, as if Yutaka Niida's name isn't already on the trophy

Flea Man · 07-28-2009, 07:22 AM

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I know, as if Yutaka Niida's name isn't already on the trophy

All jokes aside, Niida was good.

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teeto Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Team Ireland Manor, Easing Pabuiao into the life of managing the GOAT Posts: 14,051 vCash: 1000	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division Wether he is overrated in terms of ability or not, Lennox is clearly inside the top ten.
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keith ESB OG ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Here to annoy the looney left Posts: 1,819 vCash: 1000	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division I think Foreman is the morst overrated guy in the list. Out of 0ver 100 years of heavyweight fighting, Foreman spent roughly 1.5 years as the best heavyweight in the world. To me that doesn't get you in the top ten. Keith
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DemolitionDan ATG and HoF East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,074 vCash: 1996	Re: ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division Just curious, but why just the original 8 divisions why not do the Super and Junior weights as well? As for the Foreman discussion I feel he is one of the best Heavyweights of All Time. He was in a great era of Heavyweight Boxing. He destroyed fighters like Frazier, and Norton who are great themselves. He got beat by the best Heavyweight of All Time, and there is no shame in that. I wouldn't put Wladimir Klitschko ahead of a fighter like Foreman just because Wlad has pretty much been the best for about 3 years now.
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