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Old 09-18-2007, 02:07 PM   #16
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They underrate him from the Kessler loss. They assume that because Kessler did not fold to the constant pressure that jokes like Jermain Taylor would not either. They also assume that he cannot get his power punches in, because they miss that Kessler displayed a top of the line defence and counter punching ability.

I'd take Andrade over Bute for example, Bute would fold.
And he'll make origami out of Mack.
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Old 09-18-2007, 02:09 PM   #17
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And he'll make origami out of Mack.
Yes and early. He's also not slow and he never tires.

He's not fast, but he's not a turtle, Kessler is very fast for his style.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:08 PM   #18
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Anyone can always improve their head movement.
no doubt intentionalbutt, i am pretty much saying if he works on that it might distract him on what he really needs to do which is land something clean even if he takes 3. He could work on it but if he starts thinking defense more and offense less, that could cost him a fight. His chin is an assett, he needs to capitalize on it. Even though it is dangerous to his health and I would prefer he did not choose that style, he could win one with it.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:10 PM   #19
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I should amend that to head and upper body movement. He could have been hit a lot less (maybe...Kessler was a cyborg that night)
Yeah, you could be right there. However, Andrade does throw alot, while moving forward.

Offence seems to be his key pivoting point, so I think thats why he gets tagged more, by an accurate counter-puncher like ie Kessler. Having said that, he does fight very unorthodoxly to me; at times he seems a bit stiff, while in others he shows alot of body movement. In both patterns he is moving forward, putting pressure...

Kessler did fight good that night; to me it was the pinnacle of him thus far.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:13 PM   #20
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I don't doubt it, Bumdrade doesn't look like he ever learnt how to box, just interested to see what his amateur career is like.
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"Before making his pro debut at the Los Alamitos racetrack -- more known for quarter horses than fighters -- Andrade had 16 amateur fights, of which he lost 14."
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:12 PM   #21
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"Before making his pro debut at the Los Alamitos racetrack -- more known for quarter horses than fighters -- Andrade had 16 amateur fights, of which he lost 14."
Doesn't really matter much - since he is kicking ass, as a pro.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:25 PM   #22
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Doesn't really matter much - since he is kicking ass, as a pro.
But it does tell you something useful about the guy in my opinion. For instance it was mainly after I heard about Oganovs amateur record that I knew he was nothing special despite his impressing looking pro rec. That combined with seeing him getting a boxing lesson in the first round against Richard Grant.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:31 PM   #23
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But it does tell you something useful about the guy in my opinion. For instance it was mainly after I heard about Oganovs amateur record that I knew he was nothing special despite his impressing looking pro rec. That combined with seeing him getting a boxing lesson in the first round against Richard Grant.
- some guys come into the sport very late, and learn the trade through hard work - others by being lifted upon shoulders - others again through talent.

Personally I am glad I placed vcash on a Oganov loss, as well as in the prediction thread.
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