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Old 08-23-2009, 03:19 PM   #1
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Default Ray Robinson NOT top five all-time

I'm talking about a pound-for-pound list. He doesn't deserve to be there, hasn't got the record:

Joe Ghnouly
Pete Lello
Maxie Shapiro
Maxie Berger
Norman Rubio x2
Tony Motisi
Reuben Shank
Izzy Jannazzo x4
Ralph Zannelli
Sheik Rangel
Tommy Bell x2
George Costner x2
Jose Basora x2
Jimmy McDaniels
Cecil Hudson x2
Georgie Abrams
Jimmy Doyle
Bernard Docusen
Vic Dellicurti
Steve Belloise
Aaron Wade
Ray Barnes
Robert Villemain x2
Charley Fusari
Bobby Dykes
Holly Mims
Artie Levine
Cyrille Delanoit
Rocky Castellani
Denny Moyer
Hans Stretz
Ralph Dupas

Sammy Angott x3
Fritzie Zivic x2
Jake LaMotta x5
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan x2
Carl Olson x4
Randolph Turpin
Rocky Graziano
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio

Note: all fighters listed were rated in the RING's top ten at one point or another. Fighters in bold are Hall of Famers.
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Old 08-23-2009, 03:22 PM   #2
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The thing is they weren't all top10 rated when he fought them, ie Aaron Wade was retired pretty much

He hasnt got the best resume, that doesnt mean he isnt the best

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Old 08-23-2009, 03:28 PM   #3
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The thing is they weren't all top10 rated when he fought them, ie Aaron Wade was retired pretty much
That's true, which is why I always put a disclaimer with these things. But I prefer to list them like this because nowadays a 'name' fighter might be someone who was rated in the past. If WALDO, for instance, beat up a comebacking Hasim Rahman now, it'd probably be seen as significant. So I make sure to list all the oldies' 'name' fighters too, just to make it fair if anyone were to compare.
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Old 08-23-2009, 03:29 PM   #4
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I disagree. That's due to two reasons, and Manassa as you have always been courteous to me I will explain for you and hopefully avoid being flamed

I pretty much go from Joe Louis onwards. I'd say around the 30's to now. This being because this is when I feel 'modern technique' really started. I understand this is a totally subjective reason but I hope you understand my reasoning.

The 2nd being because I rank not only on resume but skillset/ability. For me, Robinson not only has an impressive resume but also looks absolutely fantastic.

Ezzard Charles runs him close, but I have Duran at no.2 and Armstrong at no.3. I have Charles 4th and Jofre 5th. My list always changes mind, and I don't think anyone will ever be able to make a conclusive list as........well there's always a new piece of information that comes up and so many fighters have very good resumes. When you get to 20 onwards it's pretty hard to decide although I have a pretty tight top 30. Sure it will change if I look at it again so best to look at it in a year and laugh and whatever naievities (SPELLING???) I had or glaring omissions I made
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Old 08-23-2009, 03:34 PM   #5
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I'm talking about a pound-for-pound list. He doesn't deserve to be there, hasn't got the record:

Joe Ghnouly
Pete Lello
Maxie Shapiro
Maxie Berger
Norman Rubio x2
Tony Motisi
Reuben Shank
Izzy Jannazzo x4
Ralph Zannelli
Sheik Rangel
Tommy Bell x2
George Costner x2
Jose Basora x2
Jimmy McDaniels
Cecil Hudson x2
Georgie Abrams
Jimmy Doyle
Bernard Docusen
Vic Dellicurti
Steve Belloise
Aaron Wade
Ray Barnes
Robert Villemain x2
Charley Fusari
Bobby Dykes
Holly Mims
Artie Levine
Cyrille Delanoit
Rocky Castellani
Denny Moyer
Hans Stretz
Ralph Dupas

Sammy Angott x3
Fritzie Zivic x2
Jake LaMotta x5
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan x2
Carl Olson x4
Randolph Turpin
Rocky Graziano
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio
What's wrong with that record?
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Old 08-23-2009, 03:37 PM   #6
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What's wrong with that record?
That's what I was thinking.

Manassa says Robinson isn't top 5 and then presents a huge list of contenders, champions and hall of famers that he beat.
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Old 08-23-2009, 03:38 PM   #7
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That's what I was thinking.

Manassa says Robinson isn't top 5 and then presents a huge list of contenders, champions and hall of famers that he beat.
Yeah, really.
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Old 08-23-2009, 03:48 PM   #8
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I actually thought he was ironic when I saw that statement combined with the list of Robinson's many impressive wins.

No one in their right mind can say it's wrong to have Robinson in the top 5.
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I was only joking.
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I was only joking.
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Old 08-23-2009, 03:59 PM   #11
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i knew you was joking but you confused me for a minute

thats some good list
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Old 08-23-2009, 04:07 PM   #12
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Nice one Manassa lol
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Old 08-23-2009, 04:16 PM   #13
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What's wrong with that record?
Was thinking the same thing.
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Old 08-23-2009, 05:00 PM   #14
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I was only joking.
Stands to reason. But your second post threw me. You're a tricky one it seems...
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Old 08-23-2009, 05:30 PM   #15
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Is Robinson the best pound 4 pound fighter of all time?

No in my opinion.

Would he make a top 5 list?

I think yes.
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