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Old 09-18-2009, 02:58 PM   #1
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Default Bert Sugar's 100 Greatest Fighters(What Do You Think?)

Give me your thougts on this list and what stands out to you as for fighters being to high or low, or fighters that never got included

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Barney Ross
21, Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott (The original)
27. Jake LaMotta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Attell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo ;Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basillio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. **** Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitszimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J.Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73, Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:01 PM   #2
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Dempsey at number 9 is the one that leaps out at first (quick) look.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:03 PM   #3
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**** list. It's pretty much agreed.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:07 PM   #4
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Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson above Sam Langford and Ezzard Charles.

Ghastly.

You could go all through the list and pick out many horrendous decisions, but those are the worst for me. Unforgivable.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:08 PM   #5
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Burt Sugar is and always has been biased in favour of old time fighters.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:10 PM   #6
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Sometimes I scratch my head wondering what Sugar is talking about. Its like hes watching another sport. The man knows nothing about boxing.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:10 PM   #7
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Yeah, you have to go all the way down to #25 to find the highest ranked fighter who was filmed entirely in colour.

And it's ****ing Sugar Ray Leonard, who is looked into a top 20.
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I think Bert has Dempsey, McLarnin, Cerdan, Griffith, Napoles, Conn, Rosenbloom, Zarate, Beau Jack, Sonny Liston, Jersey Joe Walcott, Tony Zale, Rocky Granizino all to high.

And I think he had Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, Sam Langford, Ezzard Charles, Whitaker, Hagler, Monzon, Leonard, Ike Williams, Gavalin, Holmes, Sanchez, Holyfield, Tiger, Fitzsimmons, Roy Jones, Hopkins, Pryor all to low.

How the heck can Marcel Cerdan be rated higher than the likes of Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Ray Leonard, Whitaker, Monzon, Foreman, Holyfield and Holmes.........

And why is Dempsey so high? That just stupid.

Tony Zale is also to high, and he didnt even put Fighting Harada or Miguel Canto in his list.

I just think that is a really ****py list.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:13 PM   #9
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I disagree on McLarnin. He's fine where he is. Maybe he could do with being higher...look at the bodies he stacked up. He can be lower, but not much lower.
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I disagree on McLarnin. He's fine where he is. Maybe he could do with being higher...look at the bodies he stacked up. He can be lower, but not much lower.
Jimmy was a great fighter, but he shound't be higher than the likes of Charles, Leonard, Moore, Whiatker, Monzon, Foreman, Hagler, and Holmes.
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There's absolutley no concievable reason to have McLarnin ranked below Foreman. His win resume at WW alone is better than Foreman's entire HW resume. Holmes above McLarnin p4p? Impossible. I disagree strongly on Hagler, too, though at least there is a case there.

Purely and entirely based upon who he beat in terms of quality, there are only a handful of men who should be above McLarnin. There are other factors to consider for sure, but in terms of who he beat, McLarnin is top 20.
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There's absolutley no concievable reason to have McLarnin ranked below Foreman. His win resume at WW alone is better than Foreman's entire HW resume. Holmes above McLarnin p4p? Impossible. I disagree strongly on Hagler, too, though at least there is a case there.

Purely and entirely based upon who he beat in terms of quality, there are only a handful of men who should be above McLarnin. There are other factors to consider for sure, but in terms of who he beat, McLarnin is top 20.
McLarnin was a great fighter. But he was inconsistet and didnt have dominanat title reign. Lets not forget Ring Magazine didnt even have him in there top 50 fighters of the last 80 years.
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I think Bert has....McLarnin, Griffith, Napoles....all to high.
Why these 3?
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McLarnin was a great fighter. But he was inconsistet and didnt have dominanat title reign. Lets not forget Ring Magazine didnt even have him in there top 50 fighters of the last 80 years.
The Ring's list was only marginally better. How exactly do you come to the conclusion that McLarnin was inconsistent? On a ratio of number of fights in comparison to quality of opposition he has probably the greatest resume of all time.
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Awful list.
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