assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto

dabox · 09-19-2009, 01:06 AM

hey guys just watched this great film, i was wondering what your thoughs are on the whole story after seeing it,

what are your thoughs on luis resto, should be forgiven after all this,
on panama lewis
on what might have been billy collins future if this did not happen

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mochabuzz · 09-19-2009, 01:20 AM

I think that this was one of the worst documentaries i have ever seen. The producer goes and bothers the Collins family asking for an interview... opening wounds from the past. Pretty tactless in my opinion. It was just a lousy documentary (and i usually love documentaries, especially boxing ones)

Vantage_West · 09-19-2009, 04:54 AM

i liked it, it was pretty informative but making collins dad the bad guy almost made me want to stop watching it.

but the things i did find fascinating is just the stonewall of resto. a very classic case fighters have. they maybe charismatic, funny, dim witted, foolish etc but if you keep your mouth locked shut no one will know. talk is cheap so i aint saying nuttin

lefthook31 · 09-19-2009, 09:09 AM

I really liked it. It was a clear picture of the scum, scammers, derlicts, and cons that are in boxing. It also shows a tragic picture of what happens when someone invests a lifetime in a sport and things dont work out.
This is why fighters are only motivated by money now.

dabox · 09-19-2009, 11:28 AM

yeah it does show a dark side that is for sure,

i think because of stuff like that you have boxers now that care so much about money because there are always scumbags that were/are ready to advantage of their passion/love of boxing

Ted Stickles · 09-20-2009, 03:03 PM

Lewis and Resto are scumbags........and Resto acting for all these years that he never knew just goes to show you what an ass he is......Lewis is the epitome of low life

lefthook31 · 09-20-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted Stickles

Lewis and Resto are scumbags........and Resto acting for all these years that he never knew just goes to show you what an ass he is......Lewis is the epitome of low life

Yes but Resto is clearly the derlict in this story. Too stupid and weak minded to do anything but go in there and fight. He didnt question anything. If his trainer told him to paint his house before he came to the gym Resto would have done it.

janitor · 09-20-2009, 03:11 PM

They are vile human beings.

If a fighter signs a contract to engage in a boxing match then he is consenting to be hit with gloves of a given weight and consistency not an iron bolt.

Modifying gloves without the knowledge of the other fighter to make them more dangerous is no better than assulting a man in the street.

rm36 · 09-20-2009, 03:25 PM

Lewis is really scum.

COULDHAVEBEEN · 09-20-2009, 08:45 PM

Seemed like the producer, Eric Drath, started out with good intentions, but then got caught up in the hype and tried too hard for the homerun (confronting the family with the 'truth').

Found it extremely interesting, but at the same time very disturbing, even going into the doco knowing the original story.

Resto was obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed, and still isn't. He did, and does, know the difference between right and wrong though.

My gut feeling is that Resto has done both the crime and the time, and ought to be able to get on with the rest of his sadly pathetic life.

Lewis, now there's a nasty piece of work! The fact that he's still allowed to train boxers is just plain disturbing, not unlike a former pedofile assisting at a kindergarten. At least he's banned from corner work - a small mercy!

natonic · 09-20-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mochabuzz

I think that this was one of the worst documentaries i have ever seen. The producer goes and bothers the Collins family asking for an interview... opening wounds from the past. Pretty tactless in my opinion. It was just a lousy documentary (and i usually love documentaries, especially boxing ones)

I agree with this. I also found it distasteful that Resto was somewhat portrayed as a sympathetic figure.

COULDHAVEBEEN · 09-20-2009, 09:00 PM

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I agree with this. I also found it distasteful that Resto was somewhat portrayed as a sympathetic figure.

Perhaps equal parts pathetic and sympathetic Nat - I actually felt sorry for him for his whole, stuffed up life - but he certainly knew at the time of the Collins bout that they were doing very, very wrong!

Sadly for Resto it seems he does have a concience, however small - plainly Lewis wasn't born with one.

natonic · 09-20-2009, 09:08 PM

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Perhaps equal parts pathetic and sympathetic Nat - I actually felt sorry for him for his whole, stuffed up life - but he certainly knew at the time of the Collins bout that they were doing very, very wrong!

Sadly for Resto it seems he does have a concience, however small - plainly Lewis wasn't born with one.

I agree, I felt sorry for him too. Should we? I guess so, I just felt a little weird about it. The one problem I had with it was that I'd heard that both Resto and Lewis profited (however small) from the documentary. I guess Lewis requested money every time he was asked to speak. That's what I found most distasteful. And of course the "hard core" journalistic attempts at getting Billy Collins Sr. on film. Those things made it kind of sleazy.

COULDHAVEBEEN · 09-20-2009, 09:39 PM

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...And of course the "hard core" journalistic attempts at getting Billy Collins Sr. on film. Those things made it kind of sleazy.

Yeah, the initial attempts at contacting Collins Snr were a bit edgey. But towards the end, when the producer sent Resto to the door of the Collins' house, I just couldn't believe what I was seeing!

dabox · 09-21-2009, 01:24 AM

yeah the movie tries to get people to feel sorry for resto,

and in a way you gotta feel sorry for him, that night did mess up his life

but on the other hand he lied all these years, even to the film maker for like half the movie...

09-19-2009, 01:06 AM	#1
dabox Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 393 vCash: 1000	assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto hey guys just watched this great film, i was wondering what your thoughs are on the whole story after seeing it, what are your thoughs on luis resto, should be forgiven after all this, on panama lewis on what might have been billy collins future if this did not happen [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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09-19-2009, 01:20 AM	#2
mochabuzz Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 247 vCash: 1000	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto I think that this was one of the worst documentaries i have ever seen. The producer goes and bothers the Collins family asking for an interview... opening wounds from the past. Pretty tactless in my opinion. It was just a lousy documentary (and i usually love documentaries, especially boxing ones)
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09-19-2009, 04:54 AM	#3
Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 黒人文化の恋人のサンプリ Posts: 18,789 vCash: 1500	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto i liked it, it was pretty informative but making collins dad the bad guy almost made me want to stop watching it. but the things i did find fascinating is just the stonewall of resto. a very classic case fighters have. they maybe charismatic, funny, dim witted, foolish etc but if you keep your mouth locked shut no one will know. talk is cheap so i aint saying nuttin
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09-19-2009, 09:09 AM	#4
lefthook31 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: in a boxing gym near you Posts: 10,498 vCash: 1000	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto I really liked it. It was a clear picture of the scum, scammers, derlicts, and cons that are in boxing. It also shows a tragic picture of what happens when someone invests a lifetime in a sport and things dont work out. This is why fighters are only motivated by money now.
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09-19-2009, 11:28 AM	#5
dabox Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 393 vCash: 1000	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto yeah it does show a dark side that is for sure, i think because of stuff like that you have boxers now that care so much about money because there are always scumbags that were/are ready to advantage of their passion/love of boxing
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09-20-2009, 03:03 PM	#6
Ted Stickles Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New Joisey Posts: 2,094 vCash: 1000	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto Lewis and Resto are scumbags........and Resto acting for all these years that he never knew just goes to show you what an ass he is......Lewis is the epitome of low life
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09-20-2009, 03:11 PM	#8
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,040 vCash: 1000	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto They are vile human beings. If a fighter signs a contract to engage in a boxing match then he is consenting to be hit with gloves of a given weight and consistency not an iron bolt. Modifying gloves without the knowledge of the other fighter to make them more dangerous is no better than assulting a man in the street.
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rm36 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Land of Perma-ban Posts: 9,702 vCash: 166	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto Lewis is really scum.
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09-20-2009, 08:45 PM	#10
COULDHAVEBEEN Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9,735 vCash: 970	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto Seemed like the producer, Eric Drath, started out with good intentions, but then got caught up in the hype and tried too hard for the homerun (confronting the family with the 'truth'). Found it extremely interesting, but at the same time very disturbing, even going into the doco knowing the original story. Resto was obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed, and still isn't. He did, and does, know the difference between right and wrong though. My gut feeling is that Resto has done both the crime and the time, and ought to be able to get on with the rest of his sadly pathetic life. Lewis, now there's a nasty piece of work! The fact that he's still allowed to train boxers is just plain disturbing, not unlike a former pedofile assisting at a kindergarten. At least he's banned from corner work - a small mercy!
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09-21-2009, 01:24 AM	#15
dabox Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 393 vCash: 1000	Re: assualt in the ring...documentry,what are your thoughs on panama lewis and resto yeah the movie tries to get people to feel sorry for resto, and in a way you gotta feel sorry for him, that night did mess up his life but on the other hand he lied all these years, even to the film maker for like half the movie...
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