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Old 09-22-2009, 05:11 PM   #31
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Johnson looks a little light here imo definitely not over 200lbs.
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Old 09-22-2009, 05:18 PM   #32
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Old 09-22-2009, 05:33 PM   #33
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The amateur fight means little. Sources vary. Some say Rocky kicked his opponent in the stomach.


Hey, stomach...groin, what's the difference?
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:18 PM   #34
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I am sure you mean well below his normal weight of around 180-183 lbs.
Burns had recently recovered from influenza ,according to three papers I read, NOT YELLOW FEVER OR JAUNDICE AS YOU STATED IN EARLIER POSTS.
Burns and the promoter of the fight Hugh D Mcintosh were the best of friends so if Burns was not fit to fight I beleive Mcintosh would have postponed the fight.
Burns had a Jaundice. KSmith and other historians at the Cyber boxing zone know the deal. Check for youself.

Burns in fact asked HD Mcintosh to postpone the fight so he could recover, but HD said the tickets were all sold and he either fights or does not get paid. So Burns, who was ill and at a low weight of 168 pounds entered the ring.
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:31 PM   #35
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Johnson.

That Marciano didn't duck anybody doesn't speak well of the heavyweight division he sat atop of.
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:42 PM   #36
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Marciano was the better fighter but Johnson was the better boxer if that's what this thread is asking. If they fought each other I'd favor Johnson by the slightest of margins but it could certainly go the other way. As champion Rocky's resume is better though.
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:58 PM   #37
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I love Rocky, my point was to illustrate how you can display the facts differently than they should and how Johnson fought in a much, much tougher environment and under very different circumstances which should be taken into account.

Just like how Rocky's display in that fight shouldn't be held against him as he was doing his training by smoking and eating
No doubt Johnson was tough and tough having to be a black man in the early 1900's. However, I don't think you can say Johnson was a tougher or harder man than Rocky. It's not something easy to gauge but consistently he proved more.

The Rocky example is pretty crazy. Not sure how it would be possible to fault him in that scenario, especially considering how it was the beginning of the makings to arguably the most dedicated fighter that ever lived. Surely, when you defend Tyson's heart or toughness I'll just bring up this... that's all I'm saying.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:57 PM   #38
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Head to head Johnson wins easy decision.
What makes you so confident. Marvin Hart, an average champion, beat Jack Johnson by swarming all over him with effective aggresion. Was Marvin Hart better than Rocky Marciano?
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:26 PM   #39
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I suppose the question here was who was the greater fighter, not who would win in a fantasy match up.

As a greater fighter its Rocky by a mile. Rocky showed guts, and pretty much gave all the top ranked contenders title shots. Johnson quit, low blowed DQ'd himself once after getting rocked in the first round by an in-experienced Jeanette, quit in a title fight with an arm injury vs a journeyman, and has a laundry list of excuses as to why he did not look so good.
I'd have thought that would make him P4P the best fighter ever in your eyes, surely?
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:27 PM   #40
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My vote goes to the Rock, incidentally. Johnson was a great fighter for sure but not a great champion. Whether that was his fault is debatable.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:56 PM   #41
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I'd have thought that would make him P4P the best fighter ever in your eyes, surely?
Fighting Weight,

Hadvn't you heard? Vitali didn't Quit. He "Retired" to due a life threatening injury that could have KILLED him. If Vitali had gone out for the 10th round, his arm would have had to be amputated!! Vitali should be undefeated. Lennox Lewis long dreds caused Vitali to cut up.
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:02 PM   #42
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The Rocky example is pretty crazy. Not sure how it would be possible to fault him in that scenario, especially considering how it was the beginning of the makings to arguably the most dedicated fighter that ever lived. Surely, when you defend Tyson's heart or toughness I'll just bring up this... that's all I'm saying.
Tyson isn't Rocky Marciano and I've never argued that he was. Anyway it has no bearing on this argument, amigo.
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:06 PM   #43
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Tyson isn't Rocky Marciano and I've never argued that he was. Anyway it has no bearing on this argument, amigo.
No, I'm talking about for a later time. That's all... don't worry about it
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:45 PM   #44
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Johnson is staggeringly overrated. He was troubled by many, many supposedly lesser and definitely smaller fighters. Only his legions of myth-hungry, hero worshipping fans- a veritable publicity machine- keep the idea alive that he was a truly great fighter.

Marciano, to a lesser but equally aggravating extent, has a multitude of over-inflators in regards to his ring value.

Head to head, Marciano would blow Johnson out of the ring. Legacy-wise (boxing legacy not social legacy) they are much closer but I give Marciano the nod.
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Old 09-23-2009, 03:14 AM   #45
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marciano.
johnson didn't have his quality of oposition.
and marciano always succeeded not only to defeat his great oposition , but also to stop them very often.
does someone here think that johnson would have achieved what marciano achieved against marciano's oposition ?
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