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Old 09-19-2009, 10:51 AM   #61
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How the heck can Michael Spinks not be a top 100 fighter?
Another example of a ridiculous list.
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:39 PM   #62
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Whitaker, Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler should be in the top ten in my opinion

Salvador Sanchez, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez and many others are rated way to low

also loads of fighters that should of made the list McCallum, Lewis, Barrera, Mayweather Jr, Azumah Nelson and many more should of made the top 100

Sugars list has got too many fighters rated either too high or too low, a terrible list in my opinion .

{also just so you know I base a huge amount on Hd 2 Hd}
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Old 09-26-2009, 10:17 PM   #63
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Picking The Top 100 fighters is always a subjective task but Sugar Ray Leonard not being in the top 20 ranked in this list is criminal!!

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Old 09-26-2009, 10:30 PM   #64
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How the **** is George Foreman above Alexis Arguello? How is Arguello so low in general, and how is Ezzard Charles not in the top ten? Sugar is a ****er.
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Old 09-26-2009, 10:46 PM   #65
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Its a poor list and no love mostly for any modern day fighters. No love what so ever.

Im not a huge Whitaker fan but common Bert 48 WTF. He is top 25.
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:46 AM   #66
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Burt Sugar is and always has been biased in favour of old time fighters.

but he is in awe with regards to manny pacquiao
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Old 09-27-2009, 06:13 AM   #67
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but he is in awe with regards to manny pacquiao
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Old 09-27-2009, 07:18 AM   #68
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Whitaker, Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler should be in the top ten in my opinion

Salvador Sanchez, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez and many others are rated way to low

also loads of fighters that should of made the list McCallum, Lewis, Barrera, Mayweather Jr, Azumah Nelson and many more should of made the top 100

Sugars list has got too many fighters rated either too high or too low, a terrible list in my opinion .

{also just so you know I base a huge amount on Hd 2 Hd}
first of all : i am not saying i agree with bert sugar's list, but.......
saying that sugar ray leonard should be in the top 10 is ridicilous. i think almost everyone here and al boxing experts worldwide makes a top 10 without ray leonard (and marvin hagler)
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:55 AM   #69
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The list is strange I'm a big Chavez fan but him at 17 and then Whitaker at 48. Cerdan over Charles, he seems to not regard resume's very highly judging by his very high placing of Dempsey and Marciano.
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:26 AM   #70
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I don't agree with the list but you guys underrate Dempsey too much, Dempsey was God to my father who was born in 1915, Dempsey is one of the greatest of all time a true warrior and fighting machine. I would love to have seen him let loose on a Klitschko.
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:46 AM   #71
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Dempsey is one of the greatest of all time a true warrior and fighting machine. I would love to have seen him let loose on a Klitschko.
Hi Punchy, long time no see. How do you reckon he'd fare with those two?
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:47 AM   #72
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Those who posted on this thread... please see my thread. I'll be asking for your expert input.
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:55 AM   #73
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Give me your thougts on this list and what stands out to you as for fighters being to high or low, or fighters that never got included

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Barney Ross
21, Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott (The original)
27. Jake LaMotta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Attell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo ;Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basillio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. **** Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitszimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J.Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73, Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson
Swap Ali with Armstrong & thats my exact top 3....
Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Alexis Arguello, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones jr & Tommy Hearns are too low....
Morales, Mayweather & Barrera should make the list....

There`s more but I`ll stop there.
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:12 AM   #74
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That whole list is **** from #3 down. As soon as I saw Pep at 3 I knew what I was in for.

I can't even begin to say how I'd rip that list apart. It's like he just pulled names out of his straw hat.
The list isnt great but of all the things to pick out in that list, you pick Willie Pep at no3 ?

Mesmerising.
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:17 AM   #75
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Because:
1. He arguably wasn't even the #1 in his own weight class.
The majority have Pep as the no1 FWT of all time.

Ali aint unanimous as the no1 HWT
Charles aint unanimous as the no1 LHWT
Duran aint unanimous as the no1 LWT

Everything is arguable if you want to go that route, most have Pep as the best ever FWT & most have Pep in their top 10 p4p, very strange choice to choose Pep from that list as the main thing wrong, very strange indeed IMO.
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