Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes - Page 3

Mr Butt · 10-24-2009, 11:47 AM

frazier for me , holmes is not going to have the power to stop frazier ,holmes takes the first two rounds then joe starts smokin, holmes still lands a good percentage of his jabs and frazier does show this around his eyes. holmes may be still ahead on the cards but frazier is working on holmes body through-out
the middle rounds and hitting holmes on the hips to slow his movement and arms to make his hands drop further so for me frazier outworks holmes to take a close ud or even force a very late stoppage

Bill Butcher · 10-24-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarsean

Muhammad Ali (1964-67)

Bummy Davis · 10-24-2009, 01:49 PM

Marciano, Louis, Tyson, Frazier, Lewis would have a good chance for a KO, Ali would outpoint him IMO

frankenfrank · 10-26-2009, 04:15 PM

David Tua (Holmes doesn't get up from this)
Mike Tyson
Vitali Klitschko
Wladimir Klitschko
Chris Byrd
Orlin Norris (not a favorite , but does have chance)
Lennox Lewis
James Toney
Roy Jones (maybe)
Jameel McCline (in his prime he was more than just good , had a serious series of wins then)
Ibeabuchi (just worth mentioning , i really don't know if he could win this)
Holyfield (prime)
Ali (i believe it should be an even close fight - like so many times with ali , too many times)

i see holmes as a better version of ken norton , something like ali.
they had similar styles didn't they ?

Bill1234 · 10-26-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by frankenfrank

i see holmes as a better version of ken norton , something like ali.
they had similar styles didn't they ?

Not really, no. Holmes and Norton fought almost nothing alike.

klompton · 10-26-2009, 10:57 PM

Tyson. Tyson was trained from day to specifically beat Holmes. DAmato always thought Holmes would still be champ when Tyson got to him and they spent long hours working on beating him.

Stevie G · 10-27-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by frankenfrank

David Tua (Holmes doesn't get up from this)
Mike Tyson
Vitali Klitschko
Wladimir Klitschko
Chris Byrd
Orlin Norris (not a favorite , but does have chance)
Lennox Lewis
James Toney
Roy Jones (maybe)
Jameel McCline (in his prime he was more than just good , had a serious series of wins then)
Ibeabuchi (just worth mentioning , i really don't know if he could win this)
Holyfield (prime)
Ali (i believe it should be an even close fight - like so many times with ali , too many times)

i see holmes as a better version of ken norton , something like ali.
they had similar styles didn't they ?

Interesting viewpoint. I would n't give half those guys a chance. Still,this is the beauty of debate. No,Holmes and Norton were polls apart,stylistically.

Rubber Warrior · 11-16-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stevie G

A similar thread was done on Ali a little while ago. Let's go with Mr.Holmes. Ones that I figure have the best chance are. The 1964-67 and 1972-74 versions of Muhammad Ali,FOTC Joe Frazier,Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano. George Foreman would always have a puncher's chance. Although I'd make Holmes favourite,I calculate that if Foreman caught him with a right the way Shavers did,George would n't let him off the hook. I can't discount Tyson here either,but I'd still make Larry the favourite. The only other one I'd give a fair to middling chance to is Lennox Lewis.

Holmes could be brought down a peg by those with a busy left jab. The Tim Witherspoon match demonstrates this, as does his bout with "Truth" Williams. Take Larry's jab away, or nullify it to an extent, and he could be forced to fight.

Pick those with busy left jabs and go from there.

MRBILL · 11-16-2009, 06:27 PM

Williams gave Holmes fits merely cuz he was a younger version of Holmes in 1985........ Christ, I thought "The Truth" was gonna be the next sure thing to claim fame at heavyweight... But then Williams was exposed in 1986 by Mike Weaver and again in 1989 by Tyson......... So, in a sense, Carl Williams became a lie........

MR.BILL

Hank · 11-17-2009, 01:33 AM

Mike Weaver in a rematch. Also Greg Page, Gerrie Coatzee, and Michael Dokes. 3 guys he did not fight, one who could never get rematch.

Hank · 11-17-2009, 01:34 AM

Tim Witherspoon deserved rematch, he only had 15 fights when he fought Holmes

junior-soprano · 11-17-2009, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bodhi

Not many that´s for sure!

The great swarmers at their best, meaning Marciano and Frazier. Guys with similar good jabs but more power, meaning Lewis and Liston.
Tyson´s style was made to fight guys with Holmes´ style so I suppose he too would stand good chances. And when Tyson can do it, I think Dempsey could do it too.
Wlad could trouble him a bit I think but if he can beat him? I don´t know. Possible.

So, seven fighters at best - no I don´t think Louis or Ali would beat him, both stand a chance of course.

strange that last line. cause ali beats holmes on almost every point. for example : speed, the capacity to take a punch (holmes could take a punch but not as good as ali), ring general ship, etc etc
i think very highly of larry holmes but a prime ali vs a prime holmes is gonna be won by ali most of the times

frankenfrank · 11-18-2009, 11:03 AM

vitali klitschko
wladimir klitschko
tyson

my previous post ment 'reasonable chance'
this means : best chance.

frankenfrank · 11-18-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TommyV

A prime Sonny Liston. I'm assuming Liston has a slight reach advantage here, and obviously a great jab like Holmes'. I think Larry might pick off the the early rounds, but I think once Sonny gets his jab into action, Holmes might be discouraged into jabbing back when he's getting pummeled by Sonny's in return. Not to mention he could combine that with relatively under-rated skills and power.

guess he never heard of the shavers' fights.
but he demostrates fartity of the highest level doesn't he ?

Longhhorn71 · 11-18-2009, 11:56 AM

Duane Bobick who knocked Holmes out.

10-24-2009, 11:47 AM	#31
Mr Butt Champion East Side Guru Join Date: May 2009 Location: out preaching for the church of benn Posts: 5,853 vCash: 1054	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes frazier for me , holmes is not going to have the power to stop frazier ,holmes takes the first two rounds then joe starts smokin, holmes still lands a good percentage of his jabs and frazier does show this around his eyes. holmes may be still ahead on the cards but frazier is working on holmes body through-out the middle rounds and hitting holmes on the hips to slow his movement and arms to make his hands drop further so for me frazier outworks holmes to take a close ud or even force a very late stoppage
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Bummy Davis Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 8,239 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes Marciano, Louis, Tyson, Frazier, Lewis would have a good chance for a KO, Ali would outpoint him IMO
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10-26-2009, 04:15 PM	#34
frankenfrank Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,023 vCash: 3740	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes David Tua (Holmes doesn't get up from this) Mike Tyson Vitali Klitschko Wladimir Klitschko Chris Byrd Orlin Norris (not a favorite , but does have chance) Lennox Lewis James Toney Roy Jones (maybe) Jameel McCline (in his prime he was more than just good , had a serious series of wins then) Ibeabuchi (just worth mentioning , i really don't know if he could win this) Holyfield (prime) Ali (i believe it should be an even close fight - like so many times with ali , too many times) i see holmes as a better version of ken norton , something like ali. they had similar styles didn't they ?
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10-26-2009, 10:57 PM	#36
klompton Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,837 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes Tyson. Tyson was trained from day to specifically beat Holmes. DAmato always thought Holmes would still be champ when Tyson got to him and they spent long hours working on beating him.
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MRBILL Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10,558 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes Williams gave Holmes fits merely cuz he was a younger version of Holmes in 1985........ Christ, I thought "The Truth" was gonna be the next sure thing to claim fame at heavyweight... But then Williams was exposed in 1986 by Mike Weaver and again in 1989 by Tyson......... So, in a sense, Carl Williams became a lie........ MR.BILL
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Hank Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,232 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes Mike Weaver in a rematch. Also Greg Page, Gerrie Coatzee, and Michael Dokes. 3 guys he did not fight, one who could never get rematch.
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Hank Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,232 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes Tim Witherspoon deserved rematch, he only had 15 fights when he fought Holmes
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11-18-2009, 11:03 AM	#43
frankenfrank Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,023 vCash: 3740	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes vitali klitschko wladimir klitschko tyson my previous post ment 'reasonable chance' this means : best chance.
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Longhhorn71 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,595 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has best chance of beating prime Larry Holmes Duane Bobick who knocked Holmes out.
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