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Old 10-02-2007, 11:44 AM   #1
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Why does Roy Jones get the No 1 spot when he was hardly there? Toney and Lucas are the only names on his list worth mentioning too.

According to Farhood he gets the No 1 spot for beating Toney, defending 5 times and winning his belt at 25 then vacating at 28.

Seems he basically gets It on talent.

The List Is.

1. Roy Jones
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Nigel Benn
4. Chris Eubank
5. James Toney
6. Steve Collins
7. Sven Ottke
8. Frankie Liles
9. Chong Pal Park
10. Mikkel Kessler
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:29 PM   #2
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It looks accurate enough to me. Calzaghe or Kessler are about to forge themself as the best ever.
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:08 PM   #3
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Pretty good list I'd say.
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:09 PM   #4
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This is a bit closer to what the list actually should be; even then I would only consider Jones, Leonard and Hearns Great.

1 Joe Calzaghe
2 Chong Pal Park
3 Roy Jones Jr
4 Nigel Benn
5 Chris Eubank
6 Steve Collins
7 Sven Ottke
8 James Toney*
9 Frankie Liles
10 Byron Mitchell

Mentions: Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Thulani Malinga, Charles Brewster, Richie Woodhall, Eric Lucas and Mikkel Kessler

*Assuming he was not abusing steroids at the time
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:59 PM   #5
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1 Joe Calzaghe
2 Chong Pal Park
3 Roy Jones Jr
4 Nigel Benn
5 Chris Eubank
6 Steve Collins
7 Sven Ottke
8 James Toney*
9 Frankie Liles
10 Byron Mitchell
lol What did Chong Pal Park do to ******t such a high placement- also Toney wasn't the only guy on your list who should be questioned about roids- what about jones?
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Old 10-02-2007, 05:17 PM   #6
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lol What did Chong Pal Park do to ******t such a high placement- also Toney wasn't the only guy on your list who should be questioned about roids- what about jones?
Park was the pioneer of the division; he was Super Middleweight Champion of the World for four years making 13 successful defences. No one has had more success at the division.

Toney was found guilty of drugs abuses; Jones dodged a bullet IMO, but because it cannot be technically proven that he was guilty; he is inocent.
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Old 10-02-2007, 05:35 PM   #7
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Park was the pioneer of the division; he was Super Middleweight Champion of the World for four years making 13 successful defences. No one has had more success at the division.

Calzaghe and Ottke have. And Park was hardly a 'pioneer', when it was a division that was laughed at for its first few years.
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Old 10-02-2007, 05:57 PM   #8
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jones
calzaghe
park
benn
toney
eubank
collins
liles
kessler
ottke (i know he has wins but he cheated half of them in germany)
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:39 PM   #9
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Park should not be rated ahead of Ottke. Ottke was superior and fought better fighters.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:39 PM   #10
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Park should not be rated ahead of Ottke. Ottke was superior and fought better fighters.
Yes but reasonable people should have nothing but bitter spite in their black little hearts towards Otkke as he brought boxing into dispute and damaged the sport greatly. If their was any justice that cunt wouldn't have become champ in the first place. I am aware this is not logical and frankly my damn I don't give a dear!


N.B. Knocking the **** out of Mundine was funny. I'll give him that!
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Old 10-02-2007, 08:48 PM   #11
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if toney stayed at supermiddle he would still be at the top of the tree today
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:07 AM   #12
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You can't really follow much boxing if you hadn't heard of ottke, or only follow the british domestic scene as he was world ranked for upto a decade.
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Old 10-03-2007, 02:45 PM   #13
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Calzaghe and Ottke have. And Park was hardly a 'pioneer', when it was a division that was laughed at for its first few years.
Laughing stock or not, Park was a Pioneer, and stats wise no one compares to Park... Calzaghe has made two defences of the World Championship, Ottke never even won the World Championship.

Quality of opposition gives Calzaghe the edge over Park, but that is it IMO.
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How can you have Eubank ahead of Toney and Collins? He lost to Close, Benn, Amaral and Schommer clearly and clearly lost 11 out of 12 rounds in the second fight against Collins. Toney beat the fighters Eubank openly ducked in Barkley and Littles, and looked like the best fighter in the world doing it.
eubank beat benn the first time and drew the second. he also had the wins (one of them tragic) over watson. by the time he started losing he had already lost interest in the sport.

i think the british fighters are ranked in the right order.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:13 PM   #15
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He robbed robin reed not that long ago in germany and i am pretty sure that was on sky.
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