Joe Calzaghe vs. Ezzard Charles - Page 2

The Morlocks · 11-23-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by essexboy

Charles obliterates him.

In 1 rd. even an english reff couldn't find a way to save Calz. in this 1. Charles in 1 rd, coming off of a three day drunk.

Flea Man · 11-23-2009, 12:30 PM

Can I just say I went to see Calzaghe so I'm no hater. I also think his resume is thin and on a good day he may scraw into my top 100.

Reason being that he has a lot of good attributes, that to be fair didn't get him far against the best fighter he ever faced, and I personally feel Hopkins now is just as formidable in his peak, for slightly different reasons for approaching a decade ago now.

However, Joe is in with a sharper puncher, a better combination puncher, better at mid-range, which negates Calzaghes best attributes, the ability to shift up in pace throughout a fight and change his gameplan.

Calzaghe, who despite being a boxer was an aggresive fighter is going to be getting hit by one of the fighters who had amongst the best punching form I've ever seen on film. His resume is filled with names, numerous of which would beat Calzaghe as efficiently as I'm predicting for Charles.

Round 5 stoppage, Charles, dictating the pace at centre ring, with Calzaghe probing with his jab, lands a left hook off his own jab and floors Calzaghe. Who tries to get up but can't clear his head and falls back to his knee, counted out and decisively beaten.

Calzaghe holds no advantages.

mightyd40 · 11-23-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

I think Calzaghe gets sold a bit short here but taking on Ezzard Charles would be the biggest mistake of his life.

Charles could outbox the best boxers his weight and outslug the best heavyweights.

And I just accidentaly voted for Calzaghe.

Dohhh!!!

Tin_Ribs · 11-23-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KOTF

???

Wouldn't it have been easier to simply say that you detest Calzaghe?

Manassa · 11-23-2009, 01:05 PM

30-1 in votes (two for Calzaghe were accidental). Can't get much more decisive than that.

Seamus · 11-23-2009, 01:07 PM

I probably think more of Calzaghe than most here... however, he was a natural 168 and fighting against a natural LHW (who was perhaps the greatest LHW of all time) who moved easily up to HW... no chance

Tin_Ribs · 11-23-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus

I probably think more of Calzaghe than most here... however, he was a natural 168 and fighting against a natural LHW (who was perhaps the greatest LHW of all time) who moved easily up to HW... no chance

I'd say Calzaghe was a natural light heavy who boiled down to 168; it was no secret that he had difficulties making the weight.

TheGreatA · 11-23-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tin_Ribs

I'd say Calzaghe was a natural light heavy who boiled down to 168; it was no secret that he had difficulties making the weight.

He probably weighed more by fight time than Charles did as a light heavyweight.

Tin_Ribs · 11-23-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatA

He probably weighed more by fight time than Charles did as a light heavyweight.

True. Not that it would help him in the end, although his unusual style might at least give him a slight stay of execution before Charles found his rhythm and ended matters.

Shake · 11-23-2009, 02:14 PM

So far Calzaghe has been up against Qawi, Billy Conn and now Ezzard Charles.

Unsurprisingly he has not managed to win a single one or even do that well, but should he continue along this route he'll surely record one of the best resumes of all-time.

Edit: Oh, and Charles knocks him out, surely.

Seamus · 11-23-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shake

So far Calzaghe has been up against Qawi, Billy Conn and now Ezzard Charles.

Unsurprisingly he has not managed to win a single one or even do that well, but should he continue along this route he'll surely record one of the best resumes of all-time.

Edit: Oh, and Charles knocks him out, surely.

One thing that is absolutely true, the longer a fighter is retired, the better he gets. Give Calzaghe a couple decades and he will be mentioned with the best.

Personally, I would give him a chance over Conn and Qawi, at his very best.

Tin_Ribs · 11-23-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus

One thing that is absolutely true, the longer a fighter is retired, the better he gets. Give Calzaghe a couple decades and he will be mentioned with the best.

Personally, I would give him a chance over Conn and Qawi, at his very best.

No, sorry. I'll give him credit where credit is due, but he isn't beating Conn, the man never lost a fight as a light heavy in an era that was stacked with top fighters. And Qawi would be bad for his health, too strong, too savvy and too relentless. And I don't underrate Joe; indeed I think he'd be trouble for a lot of past greats. Just not Qawi or Conn, not enough to beat them anyway.

Seamus · 11-23-2009, 03:15 PM

Fine. I don't have enough passion for him either way. However, it seems half the reason for this site's existence is to tear down Calzaghe. I officially extract myself from the fray.

essexboy · 11-23-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus

One thing that is absolutely true, the longer a fighter is retired, the better he gets. Give Calzaghe a couple decades and he will be mentioned with the best.

Personally, I would give him a chance over Conn and Qawi, at his very best.

Not by me he wont.

I dont wanna keep bashing him either though, he was a good boxer, over-protected. Threads like this are unfair.

Tin_Ribs · 11-23-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus

Fine. I don't have enough passion for him either way. However, it seems half the reason for this site's existence is to tear down Calzaghe. I officially extract myself from the fray.

View Poll Results: Who wins?
Calzaghe by KO/TKO	3	5.17%
Calzaghe by decision	1	1.72%
Draw	0	0%
Charles by KO/TKO	43	74.14%
Charles by decision	11	18.97%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

11-23-2009, 12:30 PM	#17
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,065 vCash: 75	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs. Ezzard Charles Can I just say I went to see Calzaghe so I'm no hater. I also think his resume is thin and on a good day he may scraw into my top 100. Reason being that he has a lot of good attributes, that to be fair didn't get him far against the best fighter he ever faced, and I personally feel Hopkins now is just as formidable in his peak, for slightly different reasons for approaching a decade ago now. However, Joe is in with a sharper puncher, a better combination puncher, better at mid-range, which negates Calzaghes best attributes, the ability to shift up in pace throughout a fight and change his gameplan. Calzaghe, who despite being a boxer was an aggresive fighter is going to be getting hit by one of the fighters who had amongst the best punching form I've ever seen on film. His resume is filled with names, numerous of which would beat Calzaghe as efficiently as I'm predicting for Charles. Round 5 stoppage, Charles, dictating the pace at centre ring, with Calzaghe probing with his jab, lands a left hook off his own jab and floors Calzaghe. Who tries to get up but can't clear his head and falls back to his knee, counted out and decisively beaten. Calzaghe holds no advantages.
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11-23-2009, 01:05 PM	#20
Manassa - East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ESB since '05 Posts: 9,774 vCash: 75	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs. Ezzard Charles 30-1 in votes (two for Calzaghe were accidental). Can't get much more decisive than that.
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11-23-2009, 01:07 PM	#21
Seamus Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lisboa, Portugal Posts: 10,112 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs. Ezzard Charles I probably think more of Calzaghe than most here... however, he was a natural 168 and fighting against a natural LHW (who was perhaps the greatest LHW of all time) who moved easily up to HW... no chance
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11-23-2009, 02:14 PM	#25
Shake Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,335 vCash: 75	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs. Ezzard Charles So far Calzaghe has been up against Qawi, Billy Conn and now Ezzard Charles. Unsurprisingly he has not managed to win a single one or even do that well, but should he continue along this route he'll surely record one of the best resumes of all-time. Edit: Oh, and Charles knocks him out, surely.
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11-23-2009, 03:15 PM	#28
Seamus Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lisboa, Portugal Posts: 10,112 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs. Ezzard Charles Fine. I don't have enough passion for him either way. However, it seems half the reason for this site's existence is to tear down Calzaghe. I officially extract myself from the fray.
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