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Old 11-17-2009, 02:59 PM   #61
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Are you going to do a top 10 for 140 or 135 pound divisions in the future?
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:25 PM   #62
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Are you going to do a top 10 for 140 or 135 pound divisions in the future?
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:25 PM   #63
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Lennox Lewis is a top 10 HW, and IMO but Roy Jones is easily a top 10 LHW.
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LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 971 Ezzard Charles (30)
2. 652 Archie Moore (4)
3. 557 Gene Tunney (8 )
4. 452 Sam Langford (4)
5. 328 Michael Spinks (1)
6. 288 Bob Foster
7. 181 Harry Greb
8. 148 Billy Conn
9. 140 Tommy Loughran
10. 81 Bob Fitzsimmons


Light Heavyweights Receiving Votes: 26
Number of Voting Participants: 47
Poll Started: July 20, 2009
Poll Closed: August 20, 2009

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Old 11-18-2009, 04:22 PM   #64
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Who there do you bump for him?
Ehhh...tough question..I suppose I am a bit over-nostalgic about Roy..due to becoming a boxing fan because of his amazing display of skill I was in awe of as a kid...
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:05 AM   #65
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Mike Tyson making that list is ridiculous.
Yea the fact hes achieved more than Dempsey/Frazier/Foreman is irrelevant as is the likelyhood he'd walk through Marciano/Johnson/Frazier/Dempsey within a round
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:23 AM   #66
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Yea the fact hes achieved more than Dempsey/Frazier/Foreman is irrelevant as is the likelyhood he'd walk through Marciano/Johnson/Frazier/Dempsey within a round
Take out the words 'Marciano', 'within', 'a', and 'round' and we got a deal.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:09 AM   #67
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Tyson couldn't even get through Tyrell Biggs in a round.
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:48 PM   #68
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I don't see how Ezzard Charles is number 1 All-Time at Light Heavyweight when he never was World Champion at LHW.
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:54 PM   #69
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I don't see how Ezzard Charles is number 1 All-Time at Light Heavyweight when he never was World Champion at LHW.
You see the #2 guy on that list, Archie Moore?

He beat him three times.
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Old 11-24-2009, 11:14 PM   #70
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You see the #2 guy on that list, Archie Moore?

He beat him three times.
Yep, I know, and Marciano beat Louis. So, by your theory Marciano is better than Louis?
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:07 AM   #71
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Mike Tyson making that list is ridiculous.
Did you draw your avatar too?

Although it is pure speculation, Tyson in his prime was the most lethal fighter ever.
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:37 AM   #72
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Yep, I know, and Marciano beat Louis. So, by your theory Marciano is better than Louis?
Completely different situation.

Moore already had a solid resume at the weight and would go on to do a hell of a lot more in the coming years. He was not a faded ex champ.

Ezzard beat all the best light heavies of the day...Lesnevich, Maxim and Moore pretty much between them held the title for 15 years. Charles beat them all, Maxim and Moore multiple times, proving he was the man of the division whilst they shared it.
Lloyd Marshall and Jimmy Bivins were as good if not better then any champ at the time they were fighting but were never given a shot to prove it. Charles beat them both several times.

The fact he never held a belt is really irrelevant.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:57 AM   #73
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Yep, I know, and Marciano beat Louis. So, by your theory Marciano is better than Louis?
Charles beat a prime Moore 3 times. Marciano beat an aged Louis who'd already previously retired once. There's no correlation here. When you throw in the fact that Charles's resume at the weight outside of their series equals Moore's than it's quite clear why he'd rank above him. He never won the title because he was never given a shot at it, despite beating everyone there was to beat. You can't fault him for that, especially considering he beat the #1 guy multiple times in emphatic fashion.
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:56 PM   #74
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Charles is clearly the most deserving to be placed number one at light heavy. When is the lightweight list coming out?
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:05 AM   #75
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Who there do you bump for him?
bob fitz...because he wasnt a lightheavy..he was a middleweight then heavyweight..they didnt have lightheavy when he fought. sucks for him because he was a great fighter....
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