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Old 10-04-2007, 12:29 AM   #1
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Default Is Sven Ottke the biggest fraud in the history of the MW-LHW general region?

I surely think so, the worst part is that he has '21 defences' clocked in the books, when he has 4 universally considered losses that went to his favour via blatant robbery decision.

It was also interesting when a fighter found himself penalised for punching him in the face.

Should he be ridiculed badly until his career is looked at in a justified manner, meaning not deserving of a top 10 ranking at SMW?
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Old 10-04-2007, 05:25 AM   #2
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Default Re: Is Sven Ottke the biggest fraud in the history of the MW-LHW general region?

He was an undefeated, record-holding champion who reigned for most of his career and retired as a p4p top 5 boxer. Calzaghe and Roy Jones SHAMEFULLY ducked him.

Ottke is BY FAR the greatest super-middleweight of all time.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:44 AM   #3
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What are the four universally considered losses?.


And the answer is James Toney.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:30 AM   #4
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Default Re: Is Sven Ottke the biggest fraud in the history of the MW-LHW general region?

Ottkes career isn't perfect. He certainly has a loss here or there. However his achievements are there to see. He is a top 10 168 pounder.

Amster, you carry out campaigns against fighters and its a bit much.

Ottke wasn't Jesus BUT what he achieved MUST be respected.
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:08 AM   #5
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"achillesthegreat" is right, Ottke surely should have retired with 4 or 5 defeats, but that wouldnīt change the fact that heīs surely a Top 10 SMW of all-times. Donīt forget, donīt blame him, it was his managment who was/ is so unbelievable corrupt and unsportsmanlike...
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:41 AM   #6
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Default Re: Is Sven Ottke the biggest fraud in the history of the MW-LHW general region?

I've only ever seen the 1st Brewer fight and the Reid one.
Brewer was a long time ago but I remember being gobsmacked at the verdict. As for the Reid fight, well, it's the biggest disgrace in boxing since Jones at the Olympics.
So I'm interested to know what his other contraversial fights were like. Were they genuinely crooked or a myth perpretrated by Max Kellerman!

I'm thinking of-
Larsen
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Johnson and any others you peeps can think of.
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:49 AM   #7
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The novice Mundine is critised for being KO'd by Otke - Mundine had easily nearly won every round but was behind on the cards
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:52 AM   #8
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He was a decent belt holder with some good wins, boring style, and 4-5 gift decisions. HE wouldn't compete with the top10 in the young 168lb division
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:58 PM   #9
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I wouldn't rate any guy with 4 or 5 wins that he shouldn't have anywhere near the top 10 of anything.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:59 PM   #10
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Is Sven Ottke the biggest fraud in the history of the MW-LHW general region?
With the exception of a certain Welshman of low repute and froward morals.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:05 PM   #11
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I surely think so, the worst part is that he has '21 defences' clocked in the books, when he has 4 universally considered losses that went to his favour via blatant robbery decision.

It was also interesting when a fighter found himself penalised for punching him in the face.

Should he be ridiculed badly until his career is looked at in a justified manner, meaning not deserving of a top 10 ranking at SMW?
ottke was 30 when he turned pro. fought 12 bums then challenged for a belt..........and won.

never "universally" lost a fight......some where disputed, but thats about it.

never fought for bum belts like the wbu or ibc or shit like that. didnt need 35 fights before challenging for a world title. not like that tatooed wannbe biker in your avatar!!

he may not be the greatest, but he was a great defensive fighter!!!!

not bad indeed.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:13 PM   #12
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How dare you speak Ottke's name in vain.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:47 PM   #13
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Default Re: Is Sven Ottke the biggest fraud in the history of the MW-LHW general region?

did he have anything to do with the terrible decisions? or did he just get in the ring and do his job unaware, i always wondered that.
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:44 PM   #14
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Default Re: Is Sven Ottke the biggest fraud in the history of the MW-LHW general region?

I admire Svennie, in a way, he wasnt particularly skilled in any area, but still managed to pull out the win most of the time

One thing that can be said is that he had very good stamina


Also, I agree with Mantequilla; James Toney is the most overrated SMW in history.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:03 PM   #15
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did he have anything to do with the terrible decisions? or did he just get in the ring and do his job unaware, i always wondered that.
When Reid was being warned for landing clean punches, Ottke was continously bitching and whining to the referee, they were in it together; he knew what was going on.

And yes he is arguably one of the biggest frauds in boxing history, not just the 168 division.
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