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Old 10-10-2007, 12:44 AM   #61
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Funny, Nunn is the best SMW when Toney KOed him, Barkley took him close and Jones outclassed Toney completely?

Liles is #2 when Mitchell KOed him? Who Calzaghe pasted in 2 rounds.

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Old 10-10-2007, 12:46 AM   #62
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I don't know about Griffith in the middleweight rankings...I would rank him highly at 147, but not 160.
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Old 10-10-2007, 12:47 AM   #63
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Good call Orishaman...divisional rankings are easier to do than top 100 P4P lists. Thanks for sharing your lists as well....I will create mine tomorrow.

No Whitaker at 135? No Mayweather at 130?
Well as you weel know, you have a lot of run overs from 126 to 147..so I have Pernell at 147....and just didn't fin a spot for PBF as of yet.....BTW who would you dish at 130 on my list...you see it is hard....just look at what all of them accomplished at that particular weight, and not as you climb in weight...

Now, you have the SRR, SRL , Pernell, Armstrong etc... that won multi-titles in different weight classes....and they are IMO at this point better that PBF due to their competition....
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Old 10-10-2007, 12:48 AM   #64
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Now I will make mym list, but with a different approach:

HW:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Foreman
5. Marciano
6. Tunney
7. Dempsey
8. Johnson

Cruiser:

1. Evander Holyfiled
2. Sugar De Leon
3. Dwight Quawi


LHW:

1. Bob Foster
2. Archie Moore
3. Michael Spinks
4.Billy Conn

SMW:

1. Michael Nunn
2. Frank Liles

MW:

1. Carlos Monzon
2. MMH
3. Tony Zale
4. Henry Grebs
5. Mickey Walker
6. Emil Griffith

JRMW:

1. Tommy Hearns
2. Nino Benvennuti
3. Koichi Wajima

WW:

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Basilio
5. Ross/McLarnin
6. Mantequilla Napoles
7. Kid Gavilan


JRWW:

1. Aaron Pryor
2. Tony Canzoneri
3. JCC
4. Kid Pambele
5. Nico Loche
6. Benitez


LW:

1. Duran
2. Joe Gans
3. Benny Leonard
4. Lou Ambers
5. Carlos Ortiz
6. Alexis Arguello

JRLW:

1. Sadler
2. Flash Elorde
3. Ben Villaflor
4. Kid Chocolate
5. Kobayashi
6. Samuel Serrano

FW:

1. Armstrong
2. Willie Pep
3. Eder Jofre
4. Sal Sanchez
5. John Kilbane
6. John Dundee
7. Kuniaki Shibata
8. Sugar Ramos
9. Pedroza
10. Esparragoza

JRFW:

1. Wilfredo Gomez


BW:

1. Fighting Harada
2. Jeff Chandler
3. Manuel Ortiz
4. Jimmy Carruthers
5. Ruben Olivarez
6. Sixto Escobar


JRBW:

1. Gerry Penalosa
2. Hirochi Kawashima

FLYW:

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Pancho Villa
3. Pascual Perez
4. Miguel Canto


JRFLYW:

1. Michael Carbajal

STRW:

1. Ricardo Lopez
Good list, Had Pancho Villa lived past 22, hed surely be #1 at FLY.

Good call on Villaflor also again died tragically, could have been the best Filipino ever
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Old 10-10-2007, 12:49 AM   #65
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Well as you weel know, you have a lot of run overs from 126 to 147..so I have Pernell at 147....and just didn't fin a spot for PBF as of yet.....BTW who would you dish at 130 on my list...you see it is hard....just look at what all of them accomplished at that particular weight, and not as you climb in weight...

Now, you have the SRR, SRL , Pernell, Armstrong etc... that won multi-titles in different weight classes....and they are IMO at this point better that PBF due to their competition....
It's definitely hard work, and I give you credit for posting it...so many names and so many things to take into consideration

As far as 130 goes....good names on there. I would add Julio Cesar Chavez, Alexis Arguello, Floyd Mayweather, and Azumah Nelson.

I agree with Floyd being behind those you listed...he doesn't deserve a place in the top top at 154, 147, 140, or 135 in terms of accomplishments, but I definitely wouldn't pass him up at 130.
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Funny, Nunn is the best SMW when Toney KOed him, Barkley took him close and Jones outclassed Toney completely?

Liles is #2 when Mitchell KOed him? Who Calzaghe pasted in 2 rounds.

Please.
ok...once again from 154 to 168 you have alot of runovers....and the facts that you stated are correct but not at SMW....I know you know better than that...but I can see you boy is not included ..then you cry...Well spen the time and make your list and lest compare...and don;t be a blah blah fool....post your list

Nunn lost to Toney at MW not SMW...capice....Barkley fought at 160 also....Jones fought RJJ at SMW and not the Lineal Title....

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It's definitely hard work, and I give you credit for posting it...so many names and so many things to take into consideration

As far as 130 goes....good names on there. I would add Julio Cesar Chavez, Alexis Arguello, Floyd Mayweather, and Azumah Nelson.

I agree with Floyd being behind those you listed...he doesn't deserve a place in the top top at 154, 147, 140, or 135 in terms of accomplishments, but I definitely wouldn't pass him up at 130.
I had a tought time with JCC but I beleive that 140 by losing and regaining his title at the point of his career you have to put him at 140 IMO
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I had a tought time with JCC but I beleive that 140 by losing and regaining his title at the point of his career you have to put him at 140 IMO
I would put him at 140 as well...do you rank fighters in several weight classes or limit it to one?
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I would put him at 140 as well...do you rank fighters in several weight classes or limit it to one?
I limited to the one they were more effective...I guess...you know I realized talking about multiple weight classes boxer, that I left Ezzard Charles out...I had it on my floating list and I ommitted him, I should ahve him as LHW...since he was a very small HW even on his period....
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I would put him at 140 as well...do you rank fighters in several weight classes or limit it to one?
These are the lists I used, it might help explain how I came to some of my decisions:

Top 10 fighters from 1891-1900

10 Pedlar Palmer
9 Jack Dempsey
8 James J Corbett
7 Peter Jackson
6 Young Griffo
5 Terry McGovern
4 James J Jeffries
3 Jack McAuliffe
2 Bob Fitzsimmons
1 George Dixon

Mentions:

Billy Plimmer, , Billy Murphy, Ben Jordan, George Lavigne, Joe Walcott, Tommy Ryan, Mysterious Billy Smith, Kid McCoy and John L Sullivan

Top 10 fighters from 1901 to 1910

10 Tommy Ryan
9 Jim Driscoll
8 James J Jeffries
7 Joe Walcott
6 Stanley Ketchel
5 Terry McGovern
4 Jack Johnson
3 Sammy Langford
2 Abe Attell
1 Joe Gans

Mentions:

Owen Moran, Jimmy Walsh, Ben Jordan, Young CorbettII, Battling Nelson, Jack Sullivan, Billy Papke, Bob Fitzsimmons, Jack O’Brien and Tommy Burns

Top 10 fighters 1911 to 1920

10 Jim Driscoll
9 Harry Wills
8 Jack Johnson
7 Benny Leonard
6 Freddie Welsh
5 Jack Britton
4 Ted Lewis
3 Georges Carpentier
2 Johnny Kilbane
1 Jimmy Wilde

Mentions:

Kid Williams, Pete Herman, Abe Attell, Ad Wolgast, Dixie Kid, Mike Gibbons, Les Darcy, Mike O’Dowd, Sammy Langford, Jack Dillon, Battling Levinsky, Sam McVey, Joe Jeanette and Jack Dempsey

Top 10 fighters 1921 to 1930

10 Sammy Mandell
9 Harry Wills
8 Jack Dempsey
7 Al Brown
6 Tommy Loughran
5 Gene Tunney
4 Pancho Villa
3 Harry Greb
2 Mickey Walker
1 Benny Leonard

Mentions:

Jimmy Wilde, Fidel la Barba, Johnny Kilbane, Johnny Dundee, Kid Kaplan, Benny Bass, Tony Canzoneri, Bat Battalino, Pinkey Mitchell, Jackie Berg, Jack Britton, Joe Dundee, Jackie Fields, Tiger Flowers, Georges Carpentier, Jack Delaney and Maxie Rosenbloom

Top 10 fighters 1931 to 1940

10 Jimmy McLarnin
9 Jackie Berg
8 Benny Lynch
7 Billy Conn
6 Tony Canzoneri
5 Mickey Walker
4 Barney Ross
3 Maxie Rosenbloom
2 Joe Louis
1 Henry Armstrong

Mentions:

Midget Wolgast, Jackie Brown, Little Dado, Al Brown, Kid Chocolate, Baby Arizmendi, Freddie Miller, Joey Archibald, Jackie Fields, Lou Ambers, Fritzie Zivic, Charley Burley, Gorilla Jones, Marcel Thil, Freddie Steele, John Henry Lewis, Max Schmeling, Max Baer and James J Braddock

Top 10 fighters 1941 to 1950

10 Jake LaMotta
9 Rinty Monaghan
8 Sandy Saddler
7 Manuel Ortiz
6 Joe Louis
5 Ezzard Charles
4 Ike Williams
3 Charley Burley
2 Willie Pep
1 Ray Robinson

Mentions:

Jackie Paterson, Vic Toweel, Sammy Angott, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery, Tippy Larkin, Fritzie Zivic, Red Cochrane, Tommy Bell, Tony Zale, Rocky Graziano, Marcel Cerdan, Gus Lesnevich, Freddie Mills, Archie Moore and Billy Conn

Top 10 fighters 1951 to 1960

10 Floyd Patterson
9 Carmen Bassilio
8 Jimmy Curruthers
7 Kid Gavilan
6 Rocky Marciano
5 Pascual Perez
4 Joe Brown
3 Sandy Saddler
2 Archie Moore
1 Ray Robinson

Mentions:

Dado Marino, Alphonse Halimi, Willie Pep, Hogan Kid Bassey, Davey Moore, Carlos Ortiz, Don Jordan, Bobo Olson, Gene Fullmer, Joey Maxim, Harold Johnson, Jersey Joe Walcott and Ingemar Johansson

Top 10 fighters 1961 to 1970

10 **** Tiger
9 Nicolino Loche
8 Bob Foster
7 Jose Napoles
6 Vincente Saldivar
5 Muhammad Ali
4 Nino Benvenuti
3 Carlos Ortiz
2 Eder Jofre
1 Emile Griffith

Mentions:

Pone Kingpetch, Fighting Harada, Lionel Rose, Ruben Olivares, Davey Moore, Sugar Ramos, Flash Elorde, Ismael Laguna, Duilio Loi, Benny Paret, Luis Rodriguez, Curtis Cokes, Ki-Soo Kim, Joey Giardello, Carlos Monzon, Willie Pastrano, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston and Joe Frazier

Top 10 fighters 1971 to 1979

10 Eder Jofre
9 Ruben Olivares
8 Alexis Arguello
7 Antonio Cervantes
6 Bob Foster
5 Jose Napoles
4 Carlos Zarate
3 Muhammad Ali
2 Carlos Monzon
1 Roberto Duran

Mentions:

Yuko Gushiken, Alfonso Zamora, Lupe Pintor, Wilfredo Gomez, Ernesto Marcel, Danny Lopez, Ken Buchanan, Esteban DeJesus, Guts Ishimatsu (Suzuki), Nicolino Loche, Wilfred Benitez, Pipino Cuevas, Carlos Palomino, Ray Leonard, Rodrigo Valdez, John Conteh, Victor Galindez, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Larry Holmes and Ken Norton

Top 10 fighters 1980 to 1989

10 Roberto Duran
9 Aaron Pryor
8 Eusebio Pedroza
7 Julio Cesar Chavez
6 Larry Holmes
5 Michael Spinks
4 Tommy Hearns
3 Mike Tyson
2 Marvin Hagler
1 Ray Leonard


Mentions:

Alexis Arguello, Hector Camacho, Lupe Pintor, Sot Chitalada, Michael Nunn, Jeff Fenech, Myung Woo Yuh, Jung Koo Chang, Mike McCallum, Evander Holyfield, Pernell Whitaker, Jeff Chandler, Khoasio Galaxy, Salvador Sanchez and Azumah Nelson

Top 10 fighters 1990 to 1999

10 Julio Cesar Chavez
9 James Toney
8 Felix Trinidad
7 Naseem Hamed
6 Terry Norris
5 Pernell Whitaker
4 Evander Holyfield
3 Ricardo Lopez
2 Roy Jones Jr
1 Oscar de la Hoya


Mentions:

Virgil Hill, Nigel Benn, Saman Sorjaturong, Kostya Tszyu, Azumah Nelson, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Marco Antonio Barrera, Bernard Hopkins, Shane Mosley, Rid**** Bowe, Brian Mitchell, Dariusz Michalczewski, Kaosai Galaxy, Orlando Canizales and Lennox Lewis
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Top 40 Heavies

40: Cleveland Williams
39: Zora Foley
38: Tommy Burns
37: Michael Spinks
36: James Douglas
35: James Braddock
34: George Godfrey
33: Jimmy Bivens
32: Max Baer
31: Jerry Quarry
30: Tim Whitherspoon
29: Bob Fitzsimmons
28: Jack Sharkey
27: Sam McVey
26: Joe Jeanette
25: Vitali Klitschko
24: Peter Jackson
23: Ken Norton
22: Joe Walcott (Jersey)
21: Gene Tunney
20: Rid**** Bowe
19: Floyd Patterson
18: Max Schmeling
17: Ezzard Charles
16: Sammy Langford
15: Harry Wills
14: James Corbett
13: Sonny Liston
12: Joe Frazier
11: Mike Tyson
10: Lennox Lewis
9 James Jeffries
8: Jack Dempsey
7: Rocky Marciano
6: Evander Holyfield
5: Larry Holmes
4: Jack Johnson
3: George Foreman
2: Joe Louis
1: Muhammad Ali


Light Heavies

40 **** Tiger
39 Thomas Hearns
38 Glen Johnson
37 Jose Torres
36 Fabrice Tiozzo
35 Bob Olin
34 Battling Siki
33 Marvin Johnson
32 Victor Galindez
31 Henry Maske
30 Matt Saad Muhammad (Franklin/Loach)
29 Dennis Andries
28 Antonio Tarver
27 Joey Maxim
26 Bernard Hopkins
25 Freddie Mills
24 Battling Levinsky
23 John Conteh
22 Dwight Muhammad Qawi (Braxton)
21 Billy Conn
20 Willie Pastrano
19 Jack O'Brien
18 Charles Williams
17 Harold Johnson
16 Jack Delaney
15 Virgil Hill
14 John Henry Lewis
13 Gus Lesnevich
12 Bob Fitzsimmons
11 Roy Jones
10 Dariusz Michalczewski
9 Ezzard Charles
8 Georges Carpentier
7 Bob Foster
6 Maxie Rosenbloom
5 Gene Tunney
4 Sammy Langford
3 Tommy Loughran
2 Michael Spinks
1 Archie Moore

All-time Super Middleweights:
1 Joe Calzaghe
2 Chong Pal Park
3 Roy Jones Jr
4 Nigel Benn
5 Chris Eubank
6 Steve Collins
7 Sven Ottke
8 James Toney
9 Frankie Liles
10 Byron Mitchell

Mentions: Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Thulani Malinga, Charles Brewster, Richie Woodhall, Eric Lucas and Mikkel Kessler

Middleweights:

40 Paul Pender
39 Thomas Hearns
38 Rocky Graziano
37 Randy Turpin
36 Mike McCallum
35 Georges Carpentier
34 Les Darcy
33 Al McCoy
32 Fred Apostolio
31 Sambu Kalambay
30 Tiger Flowers
29 Gene Fullmer
28 Rodrigo Valdez
27 **** Tiger
26 Bob Fitzsimmons
25 James Toney
24 Michael Nunn
23 Jack 'Twin' Sullivan
22 Mike O'Dowd
21 Jake LaMotta
20 Freddie Steele
19 Marcel Thil
18 Gorilla Jones
17 Sammy Langford
16 Emile Griffith
15 Joey Giardello
14 Kid McCoy
13 Nino Benvenuti
12 Tony Zale
11 Marcel Cerdan
10 Roy Jones
9 Jack Dempsey
8 Harry Greb
7 Marvin Hagler
6 Bernard Hopkins
5 Mickey Walker
4 Charley Burley
3 Stanley Ketchel
2 Ray Robinson
1 Carlos Monzon

Mentions:
Young CorbettIII
'Bobo' Olson
Carmen Basilio
Terry Downes
Vito Antuofermo
Alan Minter
Iran Barkley
Julian Jackson
Gerald McClellan
Reggie Johnson
Felix Trinidad

Junior Middleweights

10 Sandro Mazzinghi
9 Gianfranco Rosi
8 Wilfred Benitez
7 Ray Leonard
6 Emile Griffith
5 Terry Norris
4 Felix Trinidad
3 Winky Wright
2 Mike McCallum
1 Tommy Hearns

Mentions: Denny Moyer, Nino Benvenuti, Ki Soo Kim, Koichi Wajima, Ayub Kalule, Maurice Hope, Roberto Duran, Julian Jackson, John David Jackson, Julio Cesar Vazquez, Harry Simon, Oscar de la Hoya and Shane Mosley

Top 10 welters

1 Ray Robinson
2 Ray Leonard
3 Kid Gavilan
4 Emile Griffith
5 Henry Armstrong
6 Jose Napoles
7 Felix Trinidad
8 Oscar De La Hoya
9 Thomas Hearns
10 Carmen Bassillo

Mentions to: Tommy Ryan, 'Mysterious' Billy Smith, 'The original' Joe Walcott, Mike Sullivan, Jack Britton, Ted 'Kid' Lewis, Mickey Walker, Jackie Fields, Barney Ross, Jim McLarnin, Fritzie Zivic, Red Cochrane, Benny 'Kid' Paret, Luis Rodriguez, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas, Roberto Duran, Don Curry, Marlon Starling, Pernell Whitaker and Shane Mosley


Junior Welterweights:


10 Floyd Mayweather Jr
9 Ricky Hatton
8 Oscar de la Hoya
7 Meldrick Taylor
6 Julio Cesar Chavez
5 Nicolino Loche
4 Kostya Tszyu
3 Aaron Pryor
2 Wilfred Benitez
1 Antonio Cervantes

Mentions: Pinkey Mitchell, Jackie Berg, Mushy Callahan, Tony Canzoneri, Barney Ross, Carlos Ortiz, Duilio Loi, Saoul Mamby, Patrizio Oliva, Roger Mayweather, Buddy McGirt, Pernell Whitaker, Frankie Randall, Juan Martin Coggi, Vince Phillips, Zab Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell
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Lightweight

10 Sammy Angott
9 Julio Cesar Chavez
8 Bob Montgomery
7 Ike Williams
6 Battling Nelson
5 Joe Gans
4 Pernell Whitaker
3 Henry Armstrong
2 Benny Leonard
1 Roberto Duran

Mentions: Jack McAuliffe, George Lavigne, Frank Erne, Tony Canzoneri, Barney Ross, Lou Ambers, Beau Jack, Jimmy Carter, Carlos Ortiz, Ken Buchanan, Esteban DeJesus, Guts Ishimatsu (Ishimatsu Suzuki), Alexis Arguello, Edwin Rosario, Jose Luis Ramirez, Hector Camacho Snr, Oscar de la Hoya, Shane Mosley, Steve Johnson, Jose Luis Castillo and Floyd Mayweather Jr


Junior Lightweights:

10 Manny Paciquao
9 Johnny Dundee
8 Floyd Mayweather Jr
7 Brian Mitchell
6 Sandy Saddler
5 Kid Chocolate
4 Azumah Nelson
3 Alexis Arguello
2 Flash Elorde
1 Julio Cesar Chavez

Mentions: Alfredo Escalera, Sammy Serrano, Bazooka Limon, Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Bobby Chacon, Roger Mayweather, Hector Camacho, Rocky Lockbridge, Tony Lopez, John John Molina, Genaro Hernandez, Oscar de la Hoya, Gabby Ruelas, Arturo Gatti, Acelino Freitas, Diego Corrales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales and Manny Paciquao

Top 10 feathers

The Featherweights are an incredibly talented group of fighters; my all-time list goes:

10: Salvador Sanchez
9: Joey Archibald
8: Azumah Nelson
7: Johnny Kilbane
6: George Dixon
5: Henry Armstrong
4; Eusebio Pedroza
3: Abe Attell
2: Willie Pep
1: Sandy Saddler

Honorary mentions: Young Griffo, Terry McGovern, Jim Driscoll, Bat Battalino, Hogan 'Kid' Bassey, Davey Moore, Sugar Ramos, Vicente Saldivar, Eder Jofre, Antonio Esparragoza, Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera

Mentions: Ben Jordan, Young Corbett II, Johnny Dundee, Kid Kaplan, Tony Canzoneri, Kid Chocolate, Baby Arizmendi, Chalky Wright, Howard Winstone, Alexis Arguello, Danny Lopez, Juan LaPorte, Jeff Fenech, Marcos Villasana, Tom Johnson, Kevin Kelley, Eloy Rojas, Manuel Medina, Wilfred Vazquez, Erik Morales, and Manny Pacquiao.


Super Bantamweights

10 Kennedy McKinney
9 Seung Hoon Lee
8 Manny Paciquao
7 Junior Jones
6 Vuyani Bungu
5 Marco Antonio Barrera
4 Erik Morales
3 Jeff Fenech
2 Daniel Zaragoza
1 Wilfredo Gomez

Mentions: Welcome Ncita, Paul Banke, Wilfredo Vazquez, Raul Perez, Tracy Harris Patterson, Antonio Cermeno, Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, Bones Adams, Oscar Larios and Israel Vazquez

Bantamweights

10 Kaosai Galaxy
9 Lupe Pintor
8 Jeff Chandler
7 Al Brown
6 Jimmy Carruthers
5 Ruben Olivares
4 Manuel Ortiz
3 Eder Jofre
2 Terry McGovern
1 Carlos Zarate

Mentions: George Dixon, Billy Plimmer, Pedlar Palmer, Jimmy Walsh, Kid Williams, Pete Herman, Sixto Escobar, Vic Toweel, Alphonse Halimi, Lionel Rose, Alfonso Zamora, Jeff Fenech, Gilberto Roman, Miguel Happy Lora, Orlando Canizales, Raul Perez, Sung Il Moon and Rafael Marquez

Flyweight

10 Fidel La Barba
9 Midget Wolgast
8 Little Dado
7 Myung Woo Yuh
6 Jung Koo Chang
5 Pascual Perez
4 Rinty Monaghan
3 Ricardo Lopez
2 Pancho Villa
1 Jimmy Wilde

Mentions: Jackie Brown, Benny Lynch, Small Montana, Jackie Paterson, Pone Kingpetch, Fighting Harada, Miguel Canto, Santos Laciar, Hilario Zapata, Sot Chitalada, Humberto Gonzales, Michael Carbajal, Saman Sorjaturong and Yuri Arbachakov
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