What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy? - Page 2

Addie · 12-25-2009, 08:52 AM

If I was Manny, I'd be itching to have the test to prove my innocence.

Shake · 12-25-2009, 09:01 AM

Unannounced tests would not help, in my opinion. There is no governing body that is above all parties -- this is a sport of loosely tied-together exhibitions and a playground for promoters. As it is, there are ways around any rule.

Sweet Pea · 12-25-2009, 12:34 PM

I've started my own little trolling job on the General Forum, couldn't resist. Should be interesting.

Dempsey1238 · 12-25-2009, 01:39 PM

Take the test imo, either way, does not matter, dont think something this little will call a fight this big off. Its only a blood test, Dont take it shortly BEFORE the fight as lost of blood will leave the body weak.

PopeJackson · 12-25-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bokaj

Has Pac expressed any fear/phobia of needless before, or is it a new thing?

For one who really has such fear/phobia, I can see how regular blood tests would be a large burden.

The guys got tattoos all over his body for fuck's sake. I don't buy that "phobia of needles" bullshit for a second. And plus he's given blood close to the end of his training camp before (there is footage of it on Hatton-Pacquiao 24/7) so he can't claim that he's scared it'll weaken him before a fight. It's all a bunch of lies.

For a fighter of his magnitude to be turning down a legacy making fight with Floyd and a 40 million dollar purse because he doesn't want to take a little blood test probably means he's hiding something.

Mendoza · 12-25-2009, 04:32 PM

There is too much money to be made in this fight. Cooler heads must prevail.

What do I think? This is a vicious accusation, and one that Pacquaio must address.

Perhaps someone in the Mayweather camp who knows the Pacquio people or doctors has inside info, and is using this as a negotiating ploy get their terms in exchange for no blood test, or perhaps its real.

If it were a fake accusation, I think Paqcuaio's camps laughs at it, and goes through with the test, which puts the pressure on Mayweather ( who is rumored to own a ton in taxes ) to sign on the dotted line and give us a true super fight.

PowerPuncher · 12-25-2009, 04:56 PM

The fight will happen, too much money for it not to happen and neither man has pulled out.

I always thought since hes been at 130lbs Pacquaio maybe on something. His remarkably low bodyfat, muscularity, phenomenal speed and strength were something a little unatainable. Then there was the fact he would drain 17lbs of bodyweight without being particularly drained. It could just be great genetics and training but I wouldnt be suprised if it wasnt

Going from 122-147 isnt quite as unusual as it may seem given Pac was massive at 122-130 and usually cut 10-17lbs of water to make weight. But he does still gain 5-10lbs of muscle quite quickly while keeping a low bodyfat and cutting water.

Not agreeing to random testing is very very suspicious. Cheaters can easily manipulate planned tests, they cant manipulate random tests anything like as easily

OBCboxer · 12-25-2009, 06:53 PM

In my opinion, Pacquiao has something to hide by not agreeing to take the drug tests. Mayweather has agreed to take the same drug tests as Pacquiao. The excuse is that Pacquiao is afraid of needles. If he's afraid of needles then how did he get those tatoos? Now that Pacquiao is looking like he has something to hide, he runs behind his attorneys and sues Mayweather for defamation. Well if you don't want to be wrongly accused of taking PED's then take the test to prove to you aren't. He just looks more suspicious by hiding behind Bob Arum.

robert ungurean · 12-25-2009, 07:20 PM

I think hes clean.

PetethePrince · 12-25-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Schoolgirl bullshit, petty, childish, selfish & disrespectful to the fans & indeed the world that want to see this fight bad.... they wouldnt be millionaires if it wasnt for us paying to see them fight.

Im done with both of them if this fight doesnt get made... I will regard both men as non-existant in future discussions, ATG lists etc.

LoL... the irony. As if you can just eternal sunshine them out of the record books.

HyperBone · 12-26-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

The fight will happen, too much money for it not to happen and neither man has pulled out.

I always thought since hes been at 130lbs Pacquaio maybe on something. His remarkably low bodyfat, muscularity, phenomenal speed and strength were something a little unatainable. Then there was the fact he would drain 17lbs of bodyweight without being particularly drained. It could just be great genetics and training but I wouldnt be suprised if it wasnt

Going from 122-147 isnt quite as unusual as it may seem given Pac was massive at 122-130 and usually cut 10-17lbs of water to make weight. But he does still gain 5-10lbs of muscle quite quickly while keeping a low bodyfat and cutting water.

Not agreeing to random testing is very very suspicious. Cheaters can easily manipulate planned tests, they cant manipulate random tests anything like as easily

You're not giving him the benefit of the doubt. Why? cause he is Asian you think he is on roids? Filipinos in the provinces or barrio has body structures the same as Pac and they have less body fat. I know this is not really the issue here but I just want to point it out.

There is an updated article about him willing to take the test 3 days before the fight and after.

I myself would want Pac to take the test to see if hes clean just to shut the Mayweather's mouth. It seems he is inclined to do that, but there seems to be a misunderstanding between both camps.

Pac is innocent til proven guilty.

PowerPuncher · 12-26-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HyperBone

You're not giving him the benefit of the doubt. Why? cause he is Asian you think he is on roids? Filipinos in the provinces or barrio has body structures the same as Pac and they have less body fat. I know this is not really the issue here but I just want to point it out.

There is an updated article about him willing to take the test 3 days before the fight and after.

I myself would want Pac to take the test to see if hes clean just to shut the Mayweather's mouth. It seems he is inclined to do that, but there seems to be a misunderstanding between both camps.

Pac is innocent til proven guilty.

All my points went way over your head didnt they, maybe hes clean, if hes clean why not take random tests throughout his camp? He has nothing to lose and proves the doubters wrong. And no there arent loads of Pinoys with the same physical dimensions of Pac

What is Pacquaio's motives to avoid tests after being under suspicion. He is acting guilty. Now maybe he'll accept the testing procedures and prove us wrong, lets wait and see

TheBradyHawkes · 12-26-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dempsey1238

Dont take it shortly BEFORE the fight as lost of blood will leave the body weak.

Doubtful that the small amount needed would make him weak, at any point. He wouldn't even get a cookie at Red Cross for that.

salty trunks · 12-26-2009, 09:23 AM

I always find it interesting there has to be some sort of controversy in these megafights.

Professionals have spoke out on the issue and the conclusion is that noone should dictate the terms of the testing and its inconclusive without both blood and urine samples as well as there being no physical harm to either fighter by taking a small tube of blood at any point leading up to the fight.

Each side is in too deep with their position its going to take an interesting angle to get this one resolved. I really do fear the fight is in jeopardy now.

12-25-2009, 08:52 AM	#16
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12-25-2009, 09:01 AM	#17
Shake Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,335 vCash: 75	Re: What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy? Unannounced tests would not help, in my opinion. There is no governing body that is above all parties -- this is a sport of loosely tied-together exhibitions and a playground for promoters. As it is, there are ways around any rule.
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12-25-2009, 01:39 PM	#19
Dempsey1238 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,352 vCash: 1000	Re: What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy? Take the test imo, either way, does not matter, dont think something this little will call a fight this big off. Its only a blood test, Dont take it shortly BEFORE the fight as lost of blood will leave the body weak.
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12-25-2009, 04:32 PM	#21
Mendoza Dominating a decade East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,752 vCash: 1000	Re: What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy? There is too much money to be made in this fight. Cooler heads must prevail. What do I think? This is a vicious accusation, and one that Pacquaio must address. Perhaps someone in the Mayweather camp who knows the Pacquio people or doctors has inside info, and is using this as a negotiating ploy get their terms in exchange for no blood test, or perhaps its real. If it were a fake accusation, I think Paqcuaio's camps laughs at it, and goes through with the test, which puts the pressure on Mayweather ( who is rumored to own a ton in taxes ) to sign on the dotted line and give us a true super fight.
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12-25-2009, 04:56 PM	#22
PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,740 vCash: 1000	Re: What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy? The fight will happen, too much money for it not to happen and neither man has pulled out. I always thought since hes been at 130lbs Pacquaio maybe on something. His remarkably low bodyfat, muscularity, phenomenal speed and strength were something a little unatainable. Then there was the fact he would drain 17lbs of bodyweight without being particularly drained. It could just be great genetics and training but I wouldnt be suprised if it wasnt Going from 122-147 isnt quite as unusual as it may seem given Pac was massive at 122-130 and usually cut 10-17lbs of water to make weight. But he does still gain 5-10lbs of muscle quite quickly while keeping a low bodyfat and cutting water. Not agreeing to random testing is very very suspicious. Cheaters can easily manipulate planned tests, they cant manipulate random tests anything like as easily
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12-25-2009, 06:53 PM	#23
OBCboxer Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 4,125 vCash: 1000	Re: What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy? In my opinion, Pacquiao has something to hide by not agreeing to take the drug tests. Mayweather has agreed to take the same drug tests as Pacquiao. The excuse is that Pacquiao is afraid of needles. If he's afraid of needles then how did he get those tatoos? Now that Pacquiao is looking like he has something to hide, he runs behind his attorneys and sues Mayweather for defamation. Well if you don't want to be wrongly accused of taking PED's then take the test to prove to you aren't. He just looks more suspicious by hiding behind Bob Arum.
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12-25-2009, 07:20 PM	#24
robert ungurean Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: liftin 3 kettlebells in pa.usa Posts: 2,172 vCash: 1000	Re: What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy? I think hes clean.
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12-26-2009, 09:23 AM	#29
salty trunks Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,175 vCash: 500	Re: What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy? I always find it interesting there has to be some sort of controversy in these megafights. Professionals have spoke out on the issue and the conclusion is that noone should dictate the terms of the testing and its inconclusive without both blood and urine samples as well as there being no physical harm to either fighter by taking a small tube of blood at any point leading up to the fight. Each side is in too deep with their position its going to take an interesting angle to get this one resolved. I really do fear the fight is in jeopardy now.
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