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Old 12-26-2009, 09:34 AM   #31
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half a percent of blood should amount to about 0.5 lbs of blood thats a shit load of blood. Bullsh*t it wont affect the athlete.
oh jesus

Do you really think they would put a athletes health in danger by taking too much blood

The USADA has taken blood from other high performance aerobic athletes with no ill effects. So what make pac or any other boxer different?
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:34 AM   #32
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Who are YOU to say what a boxer and cant request for one of his matches?


And now YOU want to say that PED testing should off limit?
Who is Mayweather to demand this bullshit?

Where did I say anything about anything being off limits?
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:43 AM   #33
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Default Blood test requested by GoldenBoyfrom the beginning.. so why all the fuss now?

Said Schaefer: "The fact is we have never accused him of anything, nothing. We have been instructed by a client, which is Mayweather and Mayweather's management team, to ensure from the beginning that the proper test, which is blood and urine, be performed. That was in the first draft of the contact; this was no surprise."

If this is true, then Arum has known from the beginning.. I don't get it.
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:45 AM   #34
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Default Random blood tests should be mandatory - but who the hell is Floyd to demand it?

- random blood and urine tests should be mandatory from January 1, 2010. Organizations and commissions should use Olympic style drug testing so fighters could be checked regularly, as DOPING IS AN ISSUE IN BOXING whether you like it or not. Boxers using illegal substances should get caught and others should FEAR of getting caught. Current tests are weak for a huge amount of substances
- Kobe Bryant, Wild Card fighter Amir Khan, also Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and tens of thousands of Olympians and other athletes did random blood/urine tests in the past and not one lost due to it, there's absolutely no excuse to turn mandatory random blood/urine tests down or make demands when or how to do it
- HOWEVER, mandatory random blood/urine tests are NOT part of current professional boxing rules (not in Nevada at least), and the subject should NOT be part of business negotiations
- Pacquiao has never failed a drug test, you have to be proven guilty not innocent, and PAC WAS CLEARED IN EVER DRUG TEST HE EVER DID, stop being suspicious without evidence (that goes for Margarito's past fights too). See you in court for false accusations
- Floyd still can accuse anyone if he wants a court case, but he's NOT BIGGER THAN THE SPORT AND IT'S RULES TO DEMAND EXCEPTIONAL RULES BASED ON PERSONAL OPINION. Sorry Floyd, boxing has it's own current rules (Nevada uses re & post-fight urine tests for example), no athlete should ignore them and come up with his own. Imagine everybody doing it! It'd be chaos!
- this whole mess brought TERRIBLE SHADOW OVER BOXING, we don't need geneal discussions whether Pac uses or not since he never failed a drug test, and the latest media war only brought a negative image on him and on the already weakened sport.

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- Floyd should've never demanded something completely out of an athlete's hand (every sport has it's own rules, Floyd can accept it or not fight), and boxing uses organizaton/local commission rules on drug testing. I'd love to see mandatory Olympic style tests, we might get it one day, but Floyd Mayweather Jr. is not bigger than the sport to change for his own taste
- When it was demanded, Pac should've refused talking on the subject entirely or should've only said "let promoters sort it out" and "drug tests aren't and shouldn't be in fighters/promoters control, ask Nevada to change, not me", instead he came up with unfortunaly not the smartest excuses such as he afraids of the needle, it weakens him etc. Not smart, think about it: now many think something's fishy, because Floyd dragged dirty tactics into negotiations and Pac didn't comment very smart. So now his reputation wrongfully suffers, and with his, professional boxing's reputation suffers too
- false accusations (as of my knowledge so far only Sr. accused Pac openly of Floyd's team) should be brought to court, same goes for accusing any other athlete like Margarito, there would be absolute chaos if you could accuse anyone for anything at any time
- probably the smartest thing Pac should've done after his comments was accepting Olympic style random blood/urine tests and shut team Mayweather's mouth, stopping the madness. It just didn't play out too well for him unfortunately
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:49 AM   #35
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Great post
Floyd is so transparent.
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:50 AM   #36
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both athletes would be subject to the same testing protocol so they are both going through the same thing and the usada testing procedure doesnt mean he would be tested the day or days before the fight... tests are totally random and no times when testing will or wont take place can be disclosed as it would give a cheater an unfair advantage
Both can fight at 144, Pacquiao will be all for that, but I doubt Floyd would go for it. SO FAIL try again.
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:51 AM   #37
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Said Schaefer: "The fact is we have never accused him of anything, nothing. We have been instructed by a client, which is Mayweather and Mayweather's management team, to ensure from the beginning that the proper test, which is blood and urine, be performed. That was in the first draft of the contact; this was no surprise."

If this is true, then Arum has known from the beginning.. I don't get it.
Pacquiao's camp has agreed to whatever urinalysis they want and 3 blood tests. Schaefer also believes that Pacquiao is wrongly advised and wants to deal with Roach and Pacquiao, not Arum.

Plus, NSAC was good enough according to Schaefer for Mosley-Judah.

"Whatever tests they want them to take, Shane will submit to that. We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires," Schaefer said. "The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:51 AM   #38
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floyd is a brat and a diva...and we all have to bend over for him
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:53 AM   #39
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[quote=Bee KeepZ;5743778]It's obvious that someone doesn't want to fight, offers from the Pacquiao camp.

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Unlimited urinalysis and 3 scheduled blood tests with USADA. Mayweather NO
Wrong this is the USADA policy not Floyd's, they do not allow athletes to dictates how many test should be taken.

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With $10 million monetary reward if Pacquiao comes in dirty. Mayweather NO
what?!?! didn't already request 10 million for every pound FLOYD is over and this Stipulation only applies to Floyd not PAC yet pac will not agree on the drug test floyd would have to take also ..

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Guarantee that there will be no testings before the fight, USADA we will not compromise our testings for an event.

Use of agency that tests MLB, NBA, or NFL with whatever random blood or urine tests they want. Mayweather NO

Use of NSAC with whatever random blood or urine tests they want. Mayweather NO
Wrong this is another way of Arum trying to wiggles his fighter from being tested properly . The NSAC has already allow mosley to pass god know how many drug test. This is the same comity that checked off Margarito hand wraps.. The NSCA has proven if anything they can not properly protect fighters from cheaters. Ask yourself whey does Arum want the NSAC with bad track record want to do random test but not the USADA who has a proven record of catching substance abusers.


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[/b]Once again, Pacquiao has had NO PROBLEM of the drug tests. 1:29
Roach, Koncz, and Pacquiao want cut off dates, STILL NO GO.
Roach knows got dame well, he not going to get the USADA to sign a contract as to when they can test and when their last testing date will be, thats ****ing stupid. If they did that then every athlete would be able to dictate when the can be tested.

Roach tries to get special privileges for pac even when it come to rules ..
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Said Schaefer: "The fact is we have never accused him of anything, nothing. We have been instructed by a client, which is Mayweather and Mayweather's management team, to ensure from the beginning that the proper test, which is blood and urine, be performed. That was in the first draft of the contact; this was no surprise."

If this is true, then Arum has known from the beginning.. I don't get it.
Its more to do with the timing of the tests and it disrupting Pacquiao in the final few days of preparation.
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:55 AM   #41
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Ok let me put it this way , With $40,000,000 at stake WHAT'S THE ****IN PROBLEM?

now is that better. is that a little less ridiculous?
Floyd got offered $10 million dollars for a monetary reward if Pacquiao came in dirty, with these tests being offered to him. He says NO.
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:55 AM   #42
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Both can fight at 144, Pacquiao will be all for that, but I doubt Floyd would go for it. SO FAIL try again.

Their fighting at welter which is 141- to 147, there should be no contract to for a fighter to weigh in at a special weight to accommodate another fighter fighting at the same weight. This is called a handicap match.
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:03 AM   #43
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Default Re: Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud

So far most athletes complaining about drug testing have tested positive later on. Some manage to get away with it somehow but the: "I'm not using PED's - Complaining about drug testing - Getting caught or admitting using them" sequence has been seen a million times before.
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:04 AM   #44
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Lets compare floyd demand vs pac

Pac demands

8oz glove / done (Pacquiao aint no quack quack Floyd who fights using pillows, people wanna see brutality not a borefest REASONABLE DEMAND !!)

10 million every pound over / done (To ensure quack quack floyd wont cheat on the scale like what he did vs JMM. REASONABLEDEMAND !!)

march 13/ done (You really think Pac got the advantage here?! He just had a freakin fight qack quack floyd avoided. AGAIN REASONABLE DEMAND !!)

Olympic style testing / Denied Pac won't do it. (PFFFFFTTTT... quack quack floyd changing BOXING RULES???!!! GETOUUTA HERE. Who does he think he is??! Boxing President??! UNREASONABLE DEMAND!!)

PEACE.
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:07 AM   #45
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PEACE.
Total blindness thank your proving a point. yet pac has fought to handicap matches above 141 pound, where fighter had to meet a stipulation before fighting pac at the welter weight limit.
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