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Old 10-11-2007, 07:22 PM   #16
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Default Re: Fedor ducking the UFC ? You guys can't be serious.

I bet after the Pride mishap Dana didn't feel like investing that kind of money in a guy that might get exposed in his first fight. I hope all this Fedor hype finally ends.
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:34 PM   #17
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well he did beat a middle weight in his last fight.
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:41 PM   #18
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Beebs...

Dude , you wanna talk about fedor's only meaningful fights ?
Go ahead , but let me remind you that this is MMA.
Not boxing. In other words (and you know it) , upsets are more frequent.
and it's a sport where C and B competition or the "cans" even have their chancesto pull a huge win. What i'm saying is that...

ALL of Fedor's fight are important. I don't think you realise this though.
OK , maybe not "all" (zulu anyone ? )
But 95% are. Don't just select the ones you've mentioned.

and if you're gonna play this game. Let's just follow this logic for a moment. Then let me prove my point...

Prime examples.
Couture vs "MEANINGLESS" competition.
LOST vs Enson Inoue ( he got subbbed in less than 2 minutes)
LOST vs Mikhail Illoukhine (got subbed in the first )
LOST vs Valentijn Overeem ( got subbed in less than a minute )

Arlovski vs "MEANINGLESS" competition
LOST vs Viacheslav Datsik (KOed in the first )

Hope you don't come up with some bullshit excuses like
"it was arlovski's first fight" or
"Couture wasn't as experienced back then".

Because the very same shit can be used for Fedor too.
Fedor ALSO had his "first" fight.
Fedor wasn't as experienced back then (compared to the guy from the 2003 - 2005 era )
But he still won his ****ing fights.

No matter who it was...C , B , A competition. He past the tests.
Not everyone can say the same. And certainly not the guy in your avatar. You see , he had a past before the UFC too.

Now , sure Fedor's competition hasn't been looking too good recently.
I'll give you that. But there's still nobody in the UFC right now.

It's not worth fighting Crocop.
Kongo ? why? because of his victory over Crocop ?
Ok fine.. But we're still talking about the guy who already lost against Yvel here. Even Minowa defeated Yvel. Ok , you're gonna tell me this is just MMATH bullshit and it's true. But frankly , Kongo's win over crocop was as important as Gonzaga's... In other words as important as Danny williams and Kevin McBride's victories over a shot Tyson.

Vera ? who the **** is he?

The way i see it. Barnett lost to crocop...true.
But he's also used to the octagon. and he already beat Nogueira and Couture. and he'd probably beat crocop today. (that's how bad crocop is now ). or maybe he can't take his steroids anymore or maybe it's the octagon...whatever it is..he looks like shit.

That's why , i'm only interested in seeing Fedor vs Barnett
Before that , i also wanted to see fedor vs Couture.

But that can't happen...
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:44 PM   #19
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Well Floyds fights against Zab and Gatti were worthless, just as Fedor's last 4 have been, those fights were bad for boxing as a whole, as Fedor's were bad for MMA as a whole.

And do you, me, or anybody else not involved know what the hell went on in 2+ weeks of negotiation? Do you really think all that negotiation was as simple as you are making it out to be?
True and true. But at least I can back up the fact that "Fedor's refusal" to sign contract with what Finkelstein said about wrong contract even if it is with a grain of salt. Sweat Pea can't back up his "Fedor refused because he's scared."

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Old 10-11-2007, 07:47 PM   #20
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So anybody Fedor hasn't fought is no good, and anybody Fedor has fought was only good when he fought them?

The only good fighters are Fedor and Barnett, who lost 2 out of his last 3, to 2 of the not good fighters in his last 2 fights, but that doesn't count because they were in fact not "not good" fighters back then but are no longer good and no longer count.

Foolproof.
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Old 10-11-2007, 11:58 PM   #21
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Beebs...

Dude , you wanna talk about fedor's only meaningful fights ?
Go ahead , but let me remind you that this is MMA.
Not boxing. In other words (and you know it) , upsets are more frequent.
and it's a sport where C and B competition or the "cans" even have their chancesto pull a huge win. What i'm saying is that...

ALL of Fedor's fight are important. I don't think you realise this though.
OK , maybe not "all" (zulu anyone ? )
But 95% are. Don't just select the ones you've mentioned.

and if you're gonna play this game. Let's just follow this logic for a moment. Then let me prove my point...

Prime examples.
Couture vs "MEANINGLESS" competition.
LOST vs Enson Inoue ( he got subbbed in less than 2 minutes)
LOST vs Mikhail Illoukhine (got subbed in the first )
LOST vs Valentijn Overeem ( got subbed in less than a minute )

Arlovski vs "MEANINGLESS" competition
LOST vs Viacheslav Datsik (KOed in the first )

Hope you don't come up with some bullshit excuses like
"it was arlovski's first fight" or
"Couture wasn't as experienced back then".

Because the very same shit can be used for Fedor too.
Fedor ALSO had his "first" fight.
Fedor wasn't as experienced back then (compared to the guy from the 2003 - 2005 era )
But he still won his ****ing fights.

No matter who it was...C , B , A competition. He past the tests.
Not everyone can say the same. And certainly not the guy in your avatar. You see , he had a past before the UFC too.

Now , sure Fedor's competition hasn't been looking too good recently.
I'll give you that. But there's still nobody in the UFC right now.

It's not worth fighting Crocop.
Kongo ? why? because of his victory over Crocop ?
Ok fine.. But we're still talking about the guy who already lost against Yvel here. Even Minowa defeated Yvel. Ok , you're gonna tell me this is just MMATH bullshit and it's true. But frankly , Kongo's win over crocop was as important as Gonzaga's... In other words as important as Danny williams and Kevin McBride's victories over a shot Tyson.

Vera ? who the **** is he?

The way i see it. Barnett lost to crocop...true.
But he's also used to the octagon. and he already beat Nogueira and Couture. and he'd probably beat crocop today. (that's how bad crocop is now ). or maybe he can't take his steroids anymore or maybe it's the octagon...whatever it is..he looks like shit.

That's why , i'm only interested in seeing Fedor vs Barnett
Before that , i also wanted to see fedor vs Couture.

But that can't happen...
So, if there is no talent in the UFC who is comparable or more talented in his new shitty little organization? What's he going to prove beating a bunch of no-namers?
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:54 PM   #22
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Randy is probably the biggest threat Fedor has ever had. EVERYONE wants this bout. PLUS it can now be made. Not only is it great because of the fighters but it unifies THE CHAMP! Fedor can never really call himself the man, especially after Randys comeback.
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:23 PM   #23
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Is Fedor probably the best MMA HW? Yes
Would I bet against him V any other HW in the world? No
Should Fedor fight in the UFC/ HELL YES.

There's no denying it, the UFC is the big show now, like it or not. He has to get in the octagon, why the **** wouldn't anyone want to see that? There will always be a massive question mark over his career rightly or wrongly if he doesn't fight in the UFC.

There is no other way to view it.
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