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Old 01-24-2010, 12:12 AM   #31
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I think prime David Tua beats prime Mike Tyson, and mops the floor with Joe Frazier.

Not to say that I think Tua is better than those two, but I think he beats them both head to head.

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Old 01-24-2010, 01:25 AM   #32
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uh, no he didn't. source that statement.

and if you really think bonavena had a better chin than tyson, you're nothing more than a delusional nutjob and my words will be wasted because you can't look at the 70's without rose colored glasses.

Bonavena does have a better chin than Tyson and he absorbs much the better of the two.

Tyson never was asked to absorb a lot in his fights and like lots of heavyweight punchers, dishes out a lot better than he absorbs. He sure does have a lot of ko by results on that record of his. Bonavena does not and often fought the house fighter and was a road warrior as well. The only time Tyson was even an underdog in a fight was the Lewis bout. How'd that one go anyway?

If Bonavena is nothing more than a crude slugger, where are all the ko by results anyway? He did have a ton of fights, right? The guy fought top 10 competition for 7-8 years and went in as an underdog in a lot of those fights. You'd think stoppages by cuts would be a factor even. Nope. He was one tough hombre and hardly an easy fight when guys signed a contract to fight him.
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Old 01-24-2010, 04:31 AM   #33
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Another stick on victory for me just came to mind - don't know why I didn't think of it earlier - DEMPSEY OVER VLAD KLIT AND FAST - all I can see is Vlad against Corrie Sanders times by 100 (with a sprinkling of Brewster thrown in) mixed with Dempsey-Willard topped off with a sprinkling of Fred Fulton - very messy - you know how sometimes you can concede well yeah if they fought 10 times then maybe so and so would win a couple on certain nights - well this is one for me that I just can't ever see Vlad winning unfortunately (and I don't see it going more than 3.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:03 AM   #34
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Pernell Whitaker would of beat Henry Armstrong, Benny Leonard, Ted "Kid" Lewis, Roberto Duran, Carlos Ortiz, Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather

Marvellous Marvin Hagler would of beat Stanley Ketchel, Mickey Walker, Marcel Cerdan, Dick Tiger, Carlos Monzon, Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins

A peak Evander Holyfield would of beat Dempsey, Tunney, Tyson and Lewis in there prime

Mike Tyson would of defeated Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney,

Larry Holmes would of beat Dempsey,Tunney, Marciano and Lewis

Sonny Liston would of beat Demsey, Tunney, Marciano, Holmes, Tyson and Lewis

Roberto Duran would of beat Benny Leonard, Armstrong, Ortiz, Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Mosley and Mayweather

Salvador Sanchez would of beat Willie Pep, Kid Chocolate, Naseem Hamed, Manny Pacquioa
i agree with a big majority of this , but if hagler had trouble with little leonard , what would happen to him against roid jones who was 156 as an amateur as opposed to leonard's 139 and began as a 160 as opposed to leonard's 147 and was about as quick and stronger ?
and i do not mean the gun-shy jones who barely outpointed hopkins , i mean the jones who fought sosa , thornton , pazienza , baptist and reggie johnson.
i also doubt duran beating chavez , i think it is a close fight until someone of them , maybe duran on some occasions , maybe chavez on others breaks the other.
and manny pacquiao would have stopped sanchez.
holyfield was scared of tyson in his prime , so were lewis and bowe.
all came out like worms after the rain when douglas knocked him out.
holyfield would have always falling short against lewis , although in close affairs , and duran could beat whitaker and i just mean 'could'.
hagler-monzon is hard to tell , so is holmes-lewis.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:07 AM   #35
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bowe would not have mopped the floor with lewis , and tyson would have beaten ali , because he was stronger the frazier.
lewis already stopped bowe in the amateurs , and bowe knew what he was doing when choosing to duck him his entire career.
i heavily doubt mayweather and whitaker beating every 140 in history.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:09 AM   #36
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I think prime David Tua beats prime Mike Tyson, and mops the floor with Joe Frazier.

Not to say that I think Tua is better than those two, but I think he beats them both head to head.

+1 , he surely is better than frazier.
and at least as better as tyson
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:25 AM   #37
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Chavez over Pryor
Sanchez over Pac at feather
Lopez over Chiquita
Foreman over Tyson
Prime Holy over Lewis
Spinks over Jones
Delahoya over Tszyu at 140
Prime Holy over Tyson
Tapia over Galaxy
Johnson over any fly
Lopez over any jrfly or straw
Foster over Jones
Tyson over Fraizer,Marciano
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+1 , he surely is better than frazier.
and at least as better as tyson
Tua is a great puncher but oveeeeerated!
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Old 01-25-2010, 02:41 AM   #39
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Tua is a great puncher but oveeeeerated!
why because he also had a great chin and eliminated almost every other contender and future champion of his era that did not avoid him ?
had chagaev or ibragimov fought him he'd KO either one of them inside 2 too.
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