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Old 01-24-2010, 03:40 PM   #16
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Fitz was an amzing fighter and very over looked. I think it is more he is overlooked because the era in general is overlooked.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:52 PM   #17
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I find it hard to get my head round the fact he knocked out a champion of the calibre of Corbett after 14 hard rounds with a body shot,conceding the best part of 20 pounds.His power must have been phenomenal.
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Well think aout it.

Apart from Jeffries, what other elite level heavyweight of the period did he not knock out?

Peter Maher dominated
Tom Sharkey dominated
Gus Ruhlin dominated
Jim Corbett stopped

These guys were the best out there.

There is no shame in loosing to a guy like Jeffries if you are little more than a supermiddleweight.
I was more querying the 'Whatever you think of his era he did can', but as you know I dont rate the era and believe the amount of good big men over 200lbs were slim to none enabling him to compete
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Old 01-24-2010, 04:08 PM   #19
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I was more querying the 'Whatever you think of his era he did can', but as you know I dont rate the era and believe the amount of good big men over 200lbs were slim to none enabling him to compete
How many good big men over 200 lbs were there in Marciano's era then?

The guys Fitz was beating would not be big today but they were prety average for an era in the 20th century.
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How many good big men over 200 lbs were there in Marciano's era then?

The guys Fitz was beating would not be big today but they were prety average for an era in the 20th century.
Good point, but there was Old Louis, Baker, Valdes. Walcott and Ray was about 200lbs and pretty much ripped to shreds. Although Marciano's era was between the eras of big men and the next era would have Ali/Liston/Williams/Terrell. You also have to ask how fitz would do against;

Marciano
Charles
Walcot
Moore
Ray
Old Louis

I wouldnt give him a good chance to pick up a win against those foes. How would he do against: Lastarza, Valdes, Layne, Baker, Bivins, Lloyd Marshall, Harold Johnson? Again tough to see him picking up wins against them.

So Fitz would struggle to be a top10 HW in Rocky's era imo
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:50 PM   #21
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Good point, but there was Old Louis, Baker, Valdes. Walcott and Ray was about 200lbs and pretty much ripped to shreds.
Yes but Marciano did not fight most of the names you listed, and Fitz fought 200lb+ touted, Gus Ruhlin and basicaly used him as a punching bag.

The 200lb+ fighters listed on boxrec, on Fitz's resume, are just the tip of the iceberg.


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Although Marciano's era was between the eras of big men and the next era would have Ali/Liston/Williams/Terrell. You also have to ask how fitz would do against;

Marciano
Charles
Walcot
Moore
Ray
Old Louis
We can never know either way.

For all you know Gus Ruhlin might have cleaned out Marciano's era.

The bottom line is that a middleweight, who cleans out the contemporary heavyweight division, is entitled to a little respect.

Does the guy have to walk on water?
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The bottom line is that a middleweight, who cleans out the contemporary heavyweight division, is entitled to a little respect.

Does the guy have to walk on water?
I am not sure.

Fitzsimmons could not work on water. But the main reason for this is that as part of his training, he liked to imagine himself drowning and grasping for a rope to save his life. This meant that he would naturally drop down and grasp for the rope when he tried to walk on water.

Still, he never really set his mind to it so you never know. I suppose the counter argument is that modern fighters with there larger feet and increased size have more natural buoyancy and therefore could walk on water much easier. Pretty hard argument to argue against really.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:06 PM   #23
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Jesus, pre crucification could walk on water, but Fitz I doubt....
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