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Old 01-20-2010, 04:53 PM   #166
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Wilfredo Benitez vs Carlos Palomino

Wow.

The fight started at a slow pace as Benitez jabbed and Palomino looked to get a rythm but didnt do much. Benitez looked class. Near the end of the 4th Palomino hurt Benitez and carried the fight too him and at the start of the 5th kept it on but Benitez recovered well at the 5th.

After the 5th round it became a domination by Benitez as he kept Palomino off balance with fast jabs, left hooks and lead rights. Benitez was fgighting his fight and controlling Palomino and really looking superb and sharp. As the rounds wore on Benitez began to stay on the inside more and trade with Palomino and even dominated Palomino at his own game. It was truly amazing.

In the 14th Benitez went to the ropes with a minute to go in the round and he just made Palomino miss and really ripped uppercuts back at him and did some damge.
Also it was no way a SD

I thought Benitez dominated Palomino better than Duran did.

Benitez: 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15
Palomino: 4
Total: 149-136 Benitez (14-1)

Benitez SD15 Palomino
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:31 PM   #167
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I thought that was a 10-5'ish fight.Nowhere near as one-sided as the Duran fight imo.Still clasic laid back Benitez though.


was just watching the Michael Nunn and Herol Graham highlights on youtube, confirming my suspicion that both guys were actually essentially the same fighter.
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Old 01-20-2010, 10:41 PM   #168
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I personally don't think Benitez did any kind of domination job on Palomino at all. I thought it was a relatively close fight actually, with Benitez the clear winner.
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:22 PM   #169
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Yoko Gushiken vs Alfonso Lopez

This was a nice little chess-match between two of the more technically skilled little guys of the era. The bout started off tame enough, with neither fighter doing much of anything in the first round. Once they started to let their hands go a bit more, Lopez started to gain the edge over a somewhat timid Gushiken. I had him taking the next 3 rounds quite easily, as he'd begun to counter him at will with right hands and nice little combinations before Yoko had really found his groove in the fight. I think Gushiken found that if he continued to fight this way he wasn't going to get anywhere. Alfonso was just too slick to be fighting at that pace.

Over the next two rounds, Gushiken started to pick up the pressure more and more, which made for the most eventful rounds of the fight. Lopez was still probably landing the cleaner, crisper counters, but it looked clear that Gushiken was physically the stronger man. He also started firing off that sharp straight left fo the body whenever he saw the opening. Definitely his most consistent punch in the fight. Some very good exchanges in these rounds, with Gushiken started to land with a bit more regularity, including a few hard, flush shots that seemed to temporarily rock Lopez. Very close rounds.

In the last round it was more of the same. Gushiken started to pour on the pressure while Lopez looked to counter with right hands and left hook combinations. However, later in the round Gushiken finally got his timing down, landing a flush right hook on the button and flooring Lopez. Unfortunately he felt the need to crack him with another big left hand when he was on his hands and knees, which the ref did nothing about. Lopez looked capable of continuing, but was inexplicably counted out on his knees. A bit of a cheap ending following that great right hook. Still, a very nice fight.
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:54 PM   #170
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Wow..... I had Benitez by a point over Palomino..... did we watch the same fight..?

Wilfred Benitez vs. Carlos Palomino: 144-143 Benitez
Palomino: 2,4,5,6,11 and 12.
Benitez: 1,3,8,9,10,14 and 15.
Rounds: 7 and 13 even.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:06 AM   #171
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I thought that was a 10-5'ish fight.Nowhere near as one-sided as the Duran fight imo.Still clasic laid back Benitez though.


was just watching the Michael Nunn and Herol Graham highlights on youtube, confirming my suspicion that both guys were actually essentially the same fighter.
10-5 at a stretch on my card.

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I personally don't think Benitez did any kind of domination job on Palomino at all. I thought it was a relatively close fight actually, with Benitez the clear winner.
I honestly do not see that at all, i thought it really was pure one sidedness

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Wow..... I had Benitez by a point over Palomino..... did we watch the same fight..?

Wilfred Benitez vs. Carlos Palomino: 144-143 Benitez
Palomino: 2,4,5,6,11 and 12.
Benitez: 1,3,8,9,10,14 and 15.
Rounds: 7 and 13 even.
Looking at the round breakdown it is vaguelly similar to the fight I described and afew of the 6-15 rounds were close-ish as Benitez coasted abit but I thought he did enough to take them.
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:33 PM   #172
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Antonio Cervantes W15 Esteban Dejesus
Interesting fight. A Colombian and Puerto Rican fighting in Panama. The majority of the crowd seemed to be pulling for Dejesus. Dejesus started out pretty good (I gave him 3 of the first 4 rounds). Cervantes started to settle in and cut Dejesus in the 5th. I think this affected Dejesus but even if not cut, I think the outcome would've been the same. Cervantes was like a big telephone poll. Dejesus had trouble with his height and his jab. He gradually just wilted Dejesus. It was reported that Duran and Carlos Eleta were at ringside. I'm sure Duran would've fought Cervantes but Eleta wanted no part of that fight (as per 'Hands Of Stone'). I tend to think Duran would've taken it but Cervantes was a bad man and it would've been a tough fight. Scored this fight 147-137 for Cervantes.

Bobby Watts W10 Marvin Hagler
Good action fight. Watts was busier and seemed a little sharper than Hagler. I was surprised that I actually scored it for Watts 6-4. Watts dictated a little more with his jab and some timely movement. Hagler was pre-prime in this one and Watts was past it in the second fight. A prime Hagler would've figured this puzzle out.
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:29 AM   #173
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Joe Brown W10 Wallace "Bud" Smith

Smith looked like a house a 143 1/2, Brown came in at 139 1/2. Pretty good fight. Brown just seemed to want it more. He was busier, especially with the jab and showed good ring generalship. I scored it 97-94 (6-3-1) for Brown. I thought smith made a little push in the middle of the fight but didn't sustain it. I must've been generous to Smith because the judges had it wider and one had a shutout (I didn't see that).

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Old 01-24-2010, 12:22 PM   #174
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Been meaning to watch that Natonic, will definitly after you mentioning it.

Today

Ezzard Charles vs Lloyd Marshall II

A prime Charles and a past it Marshall. The first 3 rounds Marshall showed what must have been his past skills as he got into Charles range and waged an inside war. Marshall had a low hands style with lots of bobbing and weaving and deceptivly hard to hit. His punches were solid as well. The fight was an inside war from the first bell and near the end of the round Marshall dropped Charles badly.

After the KD the fight had the same rythm but Charles started to land some solid shots also. The referee had very little to do as both guys were extremly skilled on the inside.

In the 4th the tide changed as a huge right from Charles shook Marshall badly and a beating followed. The fifth was back to the same but nearer the end of the round Charles handed out a beating.

The 6th was still an inside war but Marshall looked more and more uncertain of winning and eventually a monstorous left hook to Marshall's solar plexus finished the fight.

One thing I noted about both these guys was there tendancy to hook rather than throw straight punches, but both were so highly effective. Also their inside work was absoloutly superb and really amazing to watch.

Highlights
Time: 9 1/2 mins Rounds: 1,2,3,4,5,6

Charles KO6 Marshall



Ezzard Charles vs Joey Maxim IV


Pretty much a routine defence of Charles's heavyweight title. Unfortunatly only a short highlight version.

Charles pretty much dominated the fight with controlled combinations and a superb right hand in every round but the 9th. In the 9th Maxim lanbded a good counter left hook and hurt Charles and tried to finish him off to no avail but won the round.

The difference I noticed about Charles between the Marshall fight and this was how more relaxed and steady he was. He kept his range and looked to figure out Maxim rather than engage all out. His long range boxing skills were as good as his inside work and he dominated Maxim in both respects. Very good all round performance.

Highlights

Time:
10 1/2 mins Rounds: 1,5,9,15

Charles UD15 Maxim


Ezzard Charles vs Jimmy Bivins V

This fight generally gets disregarded as a bad fight. This was a Light Heavyweight Charles against the underrated Jimmy Bivins.

Charles looking to keep the bout at range started off well circling Bivins and landing hard shots as Bivins attempted to come inside. Despite Bivins coming forward Charles was iniating the action in a great show of ring generalship.

As the bout wore on Bivins got inside more and Charles responded in turn as both men traded combinations and solid shots. Bivins work of his jab seemed to help him get inside. I did think the referee was slightly premature in his break ups of the clinches, as both men were fighting inside and both men are very skillful inside fighters.

From the highlights it looked a very hard fought close fight but with Charles edging it.

Highlights

Time:
26 mins Rounds: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

Charles UD10 Bivins


Tony Canzoneri vs Jackie 'Kid' Berg

Excellant wee scrap this. Berg was the taller of the two and kept a tight guard and looked to advance on Canzoneri behind a stiff jab and follow up combinations. Canzoneri with his Fitzsimmons-esque stance used his spearing left hand to controll the range and brought Berg beautifully onto counter shots in terms of left hooks and right hands. The fluidity of Canzoneri was bueatiful as he slipped and bobbed under Berg's shots and came back with his own. In the 3rd Canzoneri brought Berg onto a counter and dropped him face frst on the matt for a clean KO.

One thing that occured to me in this bout was that Canzoneri had a very 'old fashioned' style and stance with his hands low etc.... and Berg had a very modern stance with his high hands and combination punching. However Canzoneri dealt with him easily. Does this mean we underrate the old timers chances against our 'modern fighters'?

Canzoneri: 1,2
Berg:
Total:
20-18 Canzoneri (2-0)

Canzoneri KO3 Berg


Max Schmeling vs Mickey Walker

Excellant and epic struggle here. Walker full of bravey almost defiantly takes a beating from Schmeling. The bout starts with Schmeling picking off Walker and right at the end of teh round he drops Walker with a right hand, Walker leaps up and impersionates Michael Johnson as he sprints towards Schmeling but the bell rings.

The fight takes a rythm as Walker looks to use his speed and step into Schmeling with hard punches but Schmeling looks to pick him off with right hands and uppercuts and takes controll, despite Walkers best efforts that make it competitive, but you see it is in vain.

The 8th round is one sided as Schmeling batters Walker around the ring and drops him twice, the first evokes an enthusiastic response as Walker mounts a charge of the Light Brigade at him which leads to a second knockdown which fails to evoke any such bravery. Walker broken, beaten, bloodied and battered walks back to his corner and the fight is stopped due to Walker not being able to see out of his eyes.

Did not score this

Schmeling RTD8 Walker


Orlando Canizales vs Kelvin Seabrookes I

Surprisingly my first glimpse of Canizales. And this bout was an excellant one.

Canizales started fast with lots of movement and sharp punching. A perfectly timed right hand badly hurt and dropped Seabrookes who just got up. Canizales turned on the pressure with clinical punching but Kelvin held in till the bell.
After that Canizalez took controll with sharp movement and even sharper punching.
In the mid rounds Seabrookes changed his tactics and started landing some more shots but Canizalez quickly adjusted and re-won command of the battle. This was kept till the 15th.

In the 15th Canizales came out and quickly landed another well placed right, reminiscent of Harold Johnsons poleaxe of Paul Andrews. unbelieveably Kelvin got up but this time Canizales clinical finshing finally forced the ref to stop the bout.

On Canizalez I was deeply impressed. A very complete fighter with excellant lateral movement and combiantions. His timing and accuracy is superb as his jab and feints. One thing I really liked was his little pivots left or right (although mainly right) where he could get away from his opponent but still stay in punching range. His ability to just take a step to offset himself from the centre of his opponent was awesome. He landed real quality shots which he combined to head and body. Overral I was impressed. And amazingly Canizalez did all this with two broken hands from round 2 onwards. Also I loved the way of how fluid he was when inside and trading.

Canizalez: 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14
Seabrookes: 6 KD'd 1, 15
Total: 139-125 Canizalez (14-1)

Canizales TKO15 Seabrookes


Orlando Canizales vs Kelvin Seabrookes II

The same as the first fight. The action was slightly more competive however and both guys looked improved. I was more impressed with Canizalez patientce and cleverness, as he looked to pressure Seabrookes more often and really forced the fight at times (where I think he is more effective).

As said the fight was similar with Canizales dominating early but in the mid rounds Seabrookes coming on then Canizales controlling the bout till the end.

In the end Seabrookes face was a mess and some clinical punching from Orlando finsihed matters.

Canizales: 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10
Seabrookes: 6,
Total: 99-91 Canizales (9-1)

Canizales TKO11 Seabrookes

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Old 01-26-2010, 04:12 AM   #175
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Duran vs Buchanan

10 - 8
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9
9 - 10
10 - 9
9 - 10
9 - 10
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9


Buchanan just could not keep Duran of him either with his jab or left hook counters, in the early rounds he was just caught in the storm that is Duran. The rounds Buchanan won he showed better lateral movement, a good jab and some good left hook counters.

The rest off the bout Duran showed to much effective pressure and had Buchanan going straight back and on the ropes and hit Buchanan with some good shots. Duran did not look like losing the bout at all.

In the first round Duran put Buchanan down, looked more off a glancing blow and Ken did not look like He was hurt, but He did go down.

I think I remember some one saying that Duran was behind at the time of the stoppage, I did not see this at all. I could not give Ken more than five rounds. I have no problem with the stoppage, looked like Duran was winning with no problem and would off kept on with His great perfomance.

Great win by Duran.

Tomorrow Tyson vs Spinks
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Hopkins - Echols I
Hopkins brilliantly dissected Echols. It was tough and competitive for the first two thirds, but Hopkins was just picking Echols apart throughout the whole fight. His defense was brilliant, he boxed beautifully, he countered beautifully. Great fight, great performance. The best moment, though, came from Echol's trainer "He's been runnin the whole fight, judges don't like runnin" Echols gets wobbled from a huge right hand and Hopkins jumps on him "Uh oh"

Hopkins - Echols II
Another entertaining fight. A wild and dirty foul-fest. I thought this one was more competitive than the first, but it was Hopkins fight all the way. When Echols is dazed and looking at the ref and Hopkins just clocks him with a straight right, that was one of the best things I've ever seen. I watched that so many times. Hilarious.
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Micheal Spinks vs Marvin Johnson

Fun fight, with Johnson pressing and Spinks working the jab nicely and countering when possible. Had Spinks up 2-1, although all three rounds were pretty close. Johnson actually appeared to be having more success at least in terms of closing the distance and turning it into his kind of fight...Right until the point when Spinks unleashed one of the very best uppercuts that any boxer has ever thrown.
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Alexis Arguello TKO 8 Leonel Hernandez
Arguello was devastating in this fight. Hernandez was no chump. He kind of reminded me of Juan Laportewith quicker hands but not as heavy a hitter. This is the fastest I've seen Arguello's hands and reflexes. I'm not talking Camacho like speed, but you couldn't watch this fight and call him slow. I gave Hernandez one of the first 7 rounds. Arguello started fairly strong and picked up steam. He converted a couple jab-hook-right cross combinations. Beautiful stuff.
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Micheal Spinks vs Marvin Johnson

Fun fight, with Johnson pressing and Spinks working the jab nicely and countering when possible. Had Spinks up 2-1, although all three rounds were pretty close. Johnson actually appeared to be having more success at least in terms of closing the distance and turning it into his kind of fight...Right until the point when Spinks unleashed one of the very best uppercuts that any boxer has ever thrown.
I like some of those body shots he dug into Marvin...a right hand to the gut just before the knockout sticks in my mind.
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:00 PM   #180
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Just watched Meldrick Taylor's fight with Aaron Davis. Meldrick started off well with left and right hooks to the body and head, and he actually rocked Davis on a couple of occasions, but seemed to tire late and let Davis back into it. Davis' jab was probably his best punch for the fight, but he didn't let his hands go enough or put enough pressure on Meldrick to really expose him in the later rounds. If he took a few more chances and started roughousing Meldrick a bit, it could have ended more favourably for him.

In any case, the fight was close and there were quite a few rounds I thought could have gone to either man.

Meldrick Taylor vs. Aaron Davis: 116-114 Taylor
Davis: 6,9 and 12.
Taylor: 1,3,4,7 and 8.
Rounds 2 ( 9-9 ), 5,10 and 11 even.
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