ESB Classic Forum All-Time Rankings by Division - P4P Survey Updated in October 2011

[Flea Man]

Jeff M will probably attest to Valero beating every Lightweight that makes the list

[IntentionalButt]

Rummy, any idea what the deadline for bantamweights might end up being once that survey kicks off?

[burt bienstock]

inthe alltime lightweight poll of ESB,I would put Benny Leonard NO I, because he dominated the lightweight division for 7 years, against the strongest challengers in the history of the division. Duran ,I would place along with Ike Williams, and Tony Canzoneri, NO 2 and 3, with Joe Gans, great fighter of the long ago past in the mix....But for ESB poll ,putting Pernell Whitaker NO4 is ludercrous...For example, Henry Armstrong, or a young, volume punching Beau Jack [who I saw many times],wouldsimply overwhelm Whitaker. Pernell could only dodge so many bullets, before his luck would run out...I would also bet the ranch that Shane Mosely as lightweight would whip Whitaker.....

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by burt bienstock

inthe alltime lightweight poll of ESB,I would put Benny Leonard NO I, because he dominated the lightweight division for 7 years, against the strongest challengers in the history of the division. Duran ,I would place along with Ike Williams, and Tony Canzoneri, NO 2 and 3, with Joe Gans, great fighter of the long ago past in the mix....But for ESB poll ,putting Pernell Whitaker NO4 is ludercrous...For example, Henry Armstrong, or a young, volume punching Beau Jack [who I saw many times],wouldsimply overwhelm Whitaker. Pernell could only dodge so many bullets, before his luck would run out...I would also bet the ranch that Shane Mosely as lightweight would whip Whitaker.....

Good for yoooouuuu!

[Bummy Davis]

Originally Posted by burt bienstock

inthe alltime lightweight poll of ESB,I would put Benny Leonard NO I, because he dominated the lightweight division for 7 years, against the strongest challengers in the history of the division. Duran ,I would place along with Ike Williams, and Tony Canzoneri, NO 2 and 3, with Joe Gans, great fighter of the long ago past in the mix....But for ESB poll ,putting Pernell Whitaker NO4 is ludercrous...For example, Henry Armstrong, or a young, volume punching Beau Jack [who I saw many times],wouldsimply overwhelm Whitaker. Pernell could only dodge so many bullets, before his luck would run out...I would also bet the ranch that Shane Mosely as lightweight would whip Whitaker.....

I agree with that Burt. I have the lighweights ranked about the same. I also think Armstrong would be too much for Pea W. as high as I rate him among modern fighters. Shane may be getting up there in age but if he get in good form and pulls one out of the past he will give Floyd a good match. Shane takes more chances than Floyd. However I like shane at 130-147, I think 154 is not where he does his best work although he did great vs Margarito

[Brian123]

Ali is too high-as usual! Good list though.

Bob Fitzsimmons is a little low but he jumped around in weight so much, P4P he is top 3 all-time imo.

[Pachilles]

Originally Posted by Brian123

Ali is too high-as usual! Good list though.

Bob Fitzsimmons is a little low but he jumped around in weight so much, P4P he is top 3 all-time imo.

Duran Duran, Duran Greb Duran, Jeffries Langford Langford. Duran Greb Dempsey, Duran Dempsey Dempsey Fitz Langford Fitz...

[enquirer]

Whats wrong with you boy?
Dont you know 'duran duran' is the greatest band of them all?

[Pachilles]

Originally Posted by enquirer

Whats wrong with you boy?
Dont you know 'duran duran' is the greatest band of them all?

I've been picking up the language, i now speak classic

oh and did you know Duran Duran have a song called Palomino

[enquirer]

What about missy elliots 'hoya hoya'? PACPACPAC,PAC it in....LEt me begin.....JUMP around....

[Pachilles]

Originally Posted by enquirer

What about missy elliots 'hoya hoya'? PACPACPAC,PAC it in....LEt me begin.....JUMP around....

Pacquiao would knock the absolute living fuck out of Duran at 140lbs. He'd overwhelm him with his superior speed and punch output. Then after 4 rounds he would break his nose with a straight left. Seeing his own blood Duran would exclaim "No mas, senor Pacquiao, no mas!" and quit like a bitch, AGAIN! Pac has too much heart for Duran, he is a quitter, he quit.

[enquirer]

Pac was knocked out clean boyo by a flyweight,and barely got past JMM... He also lost to a 130er in eric....

[cross_trainer]

Originally Posted by Pachilles

Pac has too much heart for Duran, he is a quitter, he quit.

But surely not a quitting quitter who quit?

[Jersey Joe]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Yea the fact hes achieved more than Dempsey/Frazier/Foreman is irrelevant as is the likelyhood he'd walk through Marciano/Johnson/Frazier/Dempsey within a round

So James Tillis and Mitch Green can last the distance with prime Tyson, yet Marciano, Johnson, Frazier and Dempsey can't even last one round? You do realise that some of the journeymen he fought in his first 15 fights lasted more than one round, right? Perhaps you could explain why 4 hall of fame heavyweight champsions who defended their belts repeatedly would do so much worse than the contenders, journeymen, and bums that Tyson fought before he won the championship.

[Son of Gaul]

I still believe if you put all those guys in a 10x10 room, I'd put my money on Joe Frazier being the last man standing.