Jamie Moore turned down a fight with Darren Barker

[ollyc]

Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

The Steven Bendall who beat Paul Smith in his next fight? The same Paul Smith who is 168 Brit champ.

The Darren McDermott who was the English champ with only one loss, beat Bendall prior to Barker and then Butler after the loss.

He did fight Crampton for the vacant C'Wealth when he was undefeated.

He fought Samuels when he only had two losses.

The guy is a British champ, thats the sort of fighters on the domestic scene. Only two he could fight is Elcock and Macklin. They are the next step up. I think he has been unfortunate to have fought for vacant titles. Remember though, Elcock and Macklin are arguably not domestic fighters, they are international having fought and won on the Euro and World scene.

None of that is impressive.
Bendall may have a win over Smith, (which was apparently a robbery, but I haven't seen it), but Smith's record at middle isn't anything to shout about is it? And for the record I had Smith losing to Quigley.
So Crampton was undefeated. So what? He was crap. Lost every single round. Samuel Kebede was undefeated when he fought Scott Harrison. Are you going to talk him up too?
The McDermott win was okay. McDermott should've been granted a rematch with Elcock. No way to lose an undefeated record.
Nevertheless he's just about British level.

[rumour24tiger]

Originally Posted by Mikey7

You got it pretty much right there olly. Listen fella's, i would never say the lonsdale belt is below me, i'm very proud of my belt and would love one at Middle. But, the timing isn't right. I've done the 'big bollocks i'll fight anyone' thing and had quite a few fights where there were easier fights i could have had, but i've took the harder ones coz i like the idea of being involved in those fights and being remembered for them when i'm finished. What i did say was that i want to fight for a world title before i retire and i can't wait around for another 12-18months to get into the mandatory position in europe and push myself up the ratings, i want to fight a good name, probably in the US, and try and get a quicker, not easier, route to a world shot.
You know i don't duck people, but as i'm getting older i'm getting a bit smarter! I know i won't be here forever and want my shot. Lesser people have had them.
Anyway, why no thread about Barker ducking Quigley??

i don't think you owe anything to domestic boxing after fights with michael jones (3rd bout), matthew macklin, and ryan rhodes - some of the best fights we've ever seen in a british ring.

internet boxing fans seem to be a mardy bunch, and don't seem aware of the business side of things. it would e a daft risk for anyone coming off a tough defeat. i think you should be given the benefit of the doubt, and allowed to grow into your new weight class.

perhaps if both you and barker get a good european or world ranking, it could happen? i.e. something bigger to fight for. when the time is right. i think you've got world class offensive skills and hope you do well at middleweight, where you might be fitter and stronger.

[cityofgod]

the internet boxing fan is not mardy at all - were the passionate fans who are keeping boxing alive by discussing and more importantly PAYING for fights.

Achilles makes very valid points. Unless your name is OllyC who seems to think it's his role in life to defend Jamie's fight with a Belarus no-mark, the rest of us can see that. personally i think Jamie would have been better saying yes, I turned it down as i have just come off a loss, want to find my feet again first at the new weight class and then if it goes to plan, will look at that fight was I'm up and running again.

anyway Jamie, im a big fan and hope that whichever route you take to get to where you feel you get to in boxing, then fair enough mate. I suppose i am just a bit gutted that this exciting match up aint happening thats all and think you could do much worse than beat Barker.

(no disrespect intended in previous posts by the way)

['Ben']

That's alright as long as Moore starts facing high ranked world contenders at middleweight from now on. Although he deserves an easy comeback fight after the Rhodes battle.

[rumour24tiger]

Originally Posted by cityofgod

the internet boxing fan is not mardy at all - were the passionate fans who are keeping boxing alive by discussing and more importantly PAYING for fights.

Achilles makes very valid points. Unless your name is OllyC who seems to think it's his role in life to defend Jamie's fight with a Belarus no-mark, the rest of us can see that. personally i think Jamie would have been better saying yes, I turned it down as i have just come off a loss, want to find my feet again first at the new weight class and then if it goes to plan, will look at that fight was I'm up and running again.

anyway Jamie, im a big fan and hope that whichever route you take to get to where you feel you get to in boxing, then fair enough mate. I suppose i am just a bit gutted that this exciting match up aint happening thats all and think you could do much worse than beat Barker.

(no disrespect intended in previous posts by the way)

OK mr passionate not mardy boxing fan.

moore has been stopped by rhodes in a major war. and you think he should fight darren barker - a bigger, younger fighter than rhodes - in HIS NEXT FIGHT.

yes, that makes loads of sense. if barker was coming off a stoppage loss, he wouldn't be wanting to fight moore in his next bout, i'd think.

i think what i suggested makes more sense. build things up at the new weight. see what moore's like at middleweight. then perhaps when the time is right, there might be a good prize for barker and moore to square off.

though i can understand the disappointment for darren barker, as he doesn't seem able to get the tasty fights (moore, macklin, duddy, etc). i think barker needs a decent international name. ages ago mick h mentioned ouma, jantuah, and i wish those fights had been made: they might have been the best ay to push barker forward to bigger and better things.

[achillesthegreat]

Originally Posted by ollyc

None of that is impressive.
Bendall may have a win over Smith, (which was apparently a robbery, but I haven't seen it), but Smith's record at middle isn't anything to shout about is it? And for the record I had Smith losing to Quigley.
So Crampton was undefeated. So what? He was crap. Lost every single round. Samuel Kebede was undefeated when he fought Scott Harrison. Are you going to talk him up too?
The McDermott win was okay. McDermott should've been granted a rematch with Elcock. No way to lose an undefeated record.
Nevertheless he's just about British level.

I don't think you are judging Barkers domestic record accurately. He is the best domestic middleweight.

If you really have world title aspirations then the least you should do is beat Brit/C'Wealth champ in your debut at a new weight. Anything less is poo and no one will give the win any thought.

Plus, being Brit/W'ealth at your second weight is leaving a solid legacy behind.

[ollyc]

Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

I don't think you are judging Barkers domestic record accurately. He is the best domestic middleweight.

If you really have world title aspirations then the least you should do is beat Brit/C'Wealth champ in your debut at a new weight. Anything less is poo and no one will give the win any thought.

Plus, being Brit/W'ealth at your second weight is leaving a solid legacy behind.

Then I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree.
After Moore gets this fight out of the way, i'd like to see him go after a Geale or a Gevor; a fringe world class opponent with an appropriate ranking.

[achillesthegreat]

Originally Posted by ollyc

Then I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree.
After Moore gets this fight out of the way, i'd like to see him go after a Geale or a Gevor; a fringe world class opponent with an appropriate ranking.

I would have liked to see him fight a top 25 guy from the off.

[cityofgod]

Originally Posted by rumour24tiger

OK mr passionate not mardy boxing fan.

moore has been stopped by rhodes in a major war. and you think he should fight darren barker - a bigger, younger fighter than rhodes - in HIS NEXT FIGHT.

yes, that makes loads of sense. if barker was coming off a stoppage loss, he wouldn't be wanting to fight moore in his next bout, i'd think.

i think what i suggested makes more sense. build things up at the new weight. see what moore's like at middleweight. then perhaps when the time is right, there might be a good prize for barker and moore to square off.

though i can understand the disappointment for darren barker, as he doesn't seem able to get the tasty fights (moore, macklin, duddy, etc). i think barker needs a decent international name. ages ago mick h mentioned ouma, jantuah, and i wish those fights had been made: they might have been the best ay to push barker forward to bigger and better things.

Whilst i agree with what your saying... have you read a single word of Jamie's comments? he's basically said he wants bigger fights than Barker mate.

That he wants a straight crack at a title and not wait around for 12-18 months.

So all your talk of wars, stoppages losses... well Jamies aint thinking like that (apparently).

[Mikey7]

Originally Posted by cityofgod

the internet boxing fan is not mardy at all - were the passionate fans who are keeping boxing alive by discussing and more importantly PAYING for fights.

Achilles makes very valid points. Unless your name is OllyC who seems to think it's his role in life to defend Jamie's fight with a Belarus no-mark, the rest of us can see that. personally i think Jamie would have been better saying yes, I turned it down as i have just come off a loss, want to find my feet again first at the new weight class and then if it goes to plan, will look at that fight was I'm up and running again.

anyway Jamie, im a big fan and hope that whichever route you take to get to where you feel you get to in boxing, then fair enough mate. I suppose i am just a bit gutted that this exciting match up aint happening thats all and think you could do much worse than beat Barker.

(no disrespect intended in previous posts by the way)

No offence taken mate i take everyones points of view on board and answer the ones i disagree with in the appropriate way.
You all make some valid points and i can see where you are coming from in one way, as a BOXING FAN.
And lots of times i have taken fights that are more dangerous than other fights offered coz if i was watching i'd like to see it, as was the case with Macklin and Rhodes especially.
But, if it was your career then i'm not sure you would all be so brave. Infact, i think i've been a lot more willing to take on dangerous fights over the last few years than most.
This is why i brought up the point of Barker not fighting Quigley.
He's not doing anything at the minute, so why not?
Also, just to clarify, i am coming off shoulder surgery(AGAIN!!) so even if i wanted a big fight it wouldn't be wise to jump straight in at the deep end.
Again thanks for all the points of view, and as has been mentioned, if the fight gets to the point where it's win win for both(i.e. elimintor and the right money), then i'll be more than happy to oblige.

[Mazallan]

Originally Posted by kosaros

Macklin, Lujan and Piccirillo?

Macklin a very long time ago. And the other fights were of little note really.

[rumour24tiger]

Originally Posted by cityofgod

Whilst i agree with what your saying... have you read a single word of Jamie's comments? he's basically said he wants bigger fights than Barker mate.

That he wants a straight crack at a title and not wait around for 12-18 months.

So all your talk of wars, stoppages losses... well Jamies aint thinking like that (apparently).

well barker could become a bigger fight than it is currently. it's great that barker is willing to have all these fights and hopefully it comes good for him. i think if barker and moore both do well, they would be better off fighting for a bigger reward.