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Old 03-19-2010, 11:55 AM   #16
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I wouldn't point to the Young fight to prove anything, given that he not only was a bloated hog in that fight but also was well past his prime in general.
Yet many published writers have done exactly that, having failed to study the sort of footage we've been able to take the time to enjoy and discuss on this thread. If the 220 pound Ali of the Dunn fight had taken on Young in an immediate rematch, Jimmy would have gone the distance again, but nobody would be arguing about who the rightful winner was.
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If there is a fight that raises questions about Ali's ability to take the initiative, though, I would say it might be the Billy Daniels one, in which I actually thought Daniels might've been winning the fight until it was suddenly and somewhat questionably ended on a cut eye.
And of course Muhammad was certainly pre prime for Daniels, and many believe Ali didn't hit his stride before 1964 and Liston.
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Old 03-19-2010, 12:32 PM   #17
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Ali would move in and fight offensively when he had the opponent hurt, tired or the opponent wasn't heavy handed but typically didn't like to stand and trade. This style versus Foreman or Frazier would have been suicide.
There are too many instances in his career that disprove that.
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Old 03-19-2010, 12:46 PM   #18
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No harm to joe but Ali can afford to fight like that cos he knows he aint gonna meet with any resistance, nor is he gonna be hurt. When you know that, you can walk right through them
Go to 5.45 in this clip to see Ali duking it out with a powerful, agressive fighter.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ZQ8L0b3Ig&feature=PlayList&p=489DD622A1C86C6B&index=58[/ame]
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:26 AM   #19
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Yet many published writers have done exactly that, having failed to study the sort of footage we've been able to take the time to enjoy and discuss on this thread. If the 220 pound Ali of the Dunn fight had taken on Young in an immediate rematch, Jimmy would have gone the distance again, but nobody would be arguing about who the rightful winner was.And of course Muhammad was certainly pre prime for Daniels, and many believe Ali didn't hit his stride before 1964 and Liston.
I concur with the above. Good post.
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:39 PM   #20
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Ive always felt, that the Bruno that fought Oliver Mccall and Mike Tyson the second time, was Muscle bound..and not a functional athlete.

Against Lennox Lewis, this was Frank Bruno's best ever shape for a fight.

Against Oliver Mccall he was just more experienced and wise inside the ring.
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