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Old 04-04-2010, 12:09 PM   #16
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Perhaps, Brock is the only one I know that made a great REAL fighter, so to speak.


Dempsey took out cowboy Lurtell,

Hogan mentions in his bio that he spared with Foreman, and that Foreman's body shot took out his legs, and said if George landed other shot it would have killed him.

Also said Ali sick or not would have killed Rick Flair had it been a real fight in one of thsos mainias.


Most wrestlers were pretty scared to get into the ring for REAL against Rocky Marciano.
your points are meaningless. we were talking about REAL streetfights. sparring and boxing in the ring isn't a street fight. not defending pro wrestlers here or anything, but some of them would have been no one you'd want to mess with in a bar, whether you were a 'REAL' boxer, wrestler, judoka, karateka or mixed martial artist.
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Old 04-04-2010, 12:10 PM   #17
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Keenan is definitly tougher physically, he imposed his strength on Liston before Liston tried to throw him out a window. Apparently he towered over Liston.
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Old 04-04-2010, 02:41 PM   #18
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your points are meaningless. we were talking about REAL streetfights. sparring and boxing in the ring isn't a street fight. not defending pro wrestlers here or anything, but some of them would have been no one you'd want to mess with in a bar, whether you were a 'REAL' boxer, wrestler, judoka, karateka or mixed martial artist.

Dempsey's era of boxing mostly was a street fight for the most part.

Rocky Marciano was a good street fighter also.
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Old 04-04-2010, 03:10 PM   #19
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Sonny Liston rates in my top 3 heavyweights of all time.
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:32 PM   #20
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bullshit. he wouldnt spin him around like that, nor would they just circle eachother exchanging insults. this isn't the first time Ali has been involved in wrestling. If it was an actual fight then they could at least make it realistic. Ali probably wanted a payday.
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looks as fake as the video you posted.
Sure it does ... Ali had him exactly where he wanted him ...

AS far as street fights go, who knows ? Guys like Sullivan, Dempsey and Liston were legendary street fighters ... I'm sure plenty of wrestlers were killers as well ... Ali, I doubt it ..
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:57 PM   #21
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Sure it does ... Ali had him exactly where he wanted him ...

AS far as street fights go, who knows ? Guys like Sullivan, Dempsey and Liston were legendary street fighters ... I'm sure plenty of wrestlers were killers as well ... Ali, I doubt it ..
Jack Dempsey said that Chuck Wiggins was the greatest streetfighter who ever lived.
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:40 PM   #22
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Keenan is definitly tougher physically, he imposed his strength on Liston before Liston tried to throw him out a window. Apparently he towered over Liston.
interesting
I never heard about that, but Liston was pretty badass himself. do you have an article about it? i'd love to read about it.
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Old 04-04-2010, 08:27 PM   #23
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interesting
I never heard about that, but Liston was pretty badass himself. do you have an article about it? i'd love to read about it.
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interesting
I never heard about that, but Liston was pretty badass himself. do you have an article about it? i'd love to read about it.
AlFrancis (a poster on here) told me about it.

You do know who Peter Keenan is yeh?

Big guy from Scotland, absoloutly massive.
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:31 PM   #25
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i was talking about this so called confrontation between Liston and Keenan
that video didn't really relate to my post lol
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Captain kangaroo beat up Sonny in 1952
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:47 PM   #27
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Heard that as an ex wrestler in his fifties,Bruno Sammartino got into it with a few football players who were giving him a bad time,they jumped him,another wrestler came into the fray,and the wrestlers did a number on the football players.
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Old 04-04-2010, 10:54 PM   #28
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AlFrancis (a poster on here) told me about it.

You do know who Peter Keenan is yeh?

Big guy from Scotland, absoloutly massive.
I read about this once.

Didn't Sonny object to Keenan smoking at a party,telling him to butt out and Keenan said something along the lines of "make me" and telling Sonny he'd never lost a street fight whereupon Sonny backed off.

It's a good story but if it had came down to a serious fight I'd back Liston to shove Keenans pack of smokes up his skinny arse.
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Old 04-04-2010, 11:43 PM   #29
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nice anecdotes but there were a couple. dynamite kid was a legitimate tremendous shoot fighter, sakurba (who beat 3 gracies in MMA) started out as a pro wrestler and trained in a pro-wrestling dojo that taught legit fighting. fella by the name of haku who was in wwf in the 80s was a brutal street fighter who was documented to have taken out someone's eye at a airport who questioned his real toughness
He bit off the nose of the guy at the airport. He took out fellow wrestler Jesse Barr's eye. As the story goes, Barr was being a dick and kicked some dirt into a pit that t construction worker was digging. Haku told him it wasn't cool. Barr asked him what he was going to do about it, and Haku took out his eye.

When talking about how tough these guys are, you have to understand that some of them are former weight lifters and footballers, and some of them are shooters, or even hookers, who are trained in a form of wrestling to injure their opponents. It used to be that even in fake wrestling, to be a long term champ, you were required to be a hooker, because some smart ass might try to take something on you in a match.

Someone mentioned Ali- remember that they changed the rules in Ali's match with Inoki because they were afraid of him getting injured.
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