Who will be the last man standing at super middle? - Page 5

TFFP · 04-08-2010, 11:54 AM

Yes, he stopped him.

That makes him better than Carl Dilks who was unlucky but struggled, he didn't dominate the fight so its own fault.

Better than Kenny Anderson who struggled with Nathan King who has a 50/50 record.

Better than DeGale because DeGale hasn't won a title yet, he hasn't even fought anybody as good as Adamu.

Better than Steve McGuire who is a nobody.

You tell me, whos out there better than Groves if he can't fight Magee. I'd love to hear it. You want him to face a bum because you are scared he'll lose

avidlemon · 04-08-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TFFP

Yes, he stopped him.

That makes him better than Carl Dilks who was unlucky but struggled, he didn't dominate the fight so its own fault.

Better than Kenny Anderson who struggled with Nathan King who has a 50/50 record.

Better than DeGale because DeGale hasn't won a title yet, he hasn't even fought anybody as good as Adamu.

Better than Steve McGuire who is a nobody.

You tell me, whos out there better than Groves if he can't fight Magee. I'd love to hear it. You want him to face a bum because you are scared he'll lose

couldn't be further from the truth to be honest. I wouldn't be bothered about smith fighting groves now, it is all about what the best move is for him in a career sense. I would have smith in with dilks, degale, groves, anderson and british smw. I am not saying all of them fights would be easy, but he would be a favourite in all of them.
Groves is very talented, but he has learnt nothing by fighting adamu.
Results tell you a certain amount about a fighter, and how far they are on in terms of prgression, and groves certainly is further along than most, but the lad needs to take on a few learning fights, and going to the mayweather undercard is not a bad idea, just make it a meaningfull fight so he can learn something

TFFP · 04-08-2010, 12:06 PM

He is learning. He learns more in the gym than fighting average talent that might in the British top 15 or so. He's sparred good fighters, Fragomeni and others. What's the point in actually looking to fight guys that are way overmatched...you say he learnt nothing against Adamu but he learnt a damn sight more than he would in any 'progession' towards Smith's title.

There is no progression, Groves is ahead of that lot. The only thing he could do is fight Quigley or Dodson to show just how laboured and average Smith's performances were and almost force the fight. But I'd be absolutely looking to skip that and get a shot if I was Groves' team, for the simple reason Smith didn't exactly prove he was levels above either of them.

If Smith can't get the Magee fight, which is of course a justfied and good move if he can make it, he should give George Groves. The other options are a cop out.

avidlemon · 04-08-2010, 02:14 PM

[quote=TFFP;6516910]He is learning. He learns more in the gym than fighting average talent that might in the British top 15 or so. He's sparred good fighters, Fragomeni and others. What's the point in actually looking to fight guys that are way overmatched...you say he learnt nothing against Adamu but he learnt a damn sight more than he would in any 'progession' towards Smith's title.

There is no progression, Groves is ahead of that lot. The only thing he could do is fight Quigley or Dodson to show just how laboured and average Smith's performances were and almost force the fight. But I'd be absolutely looking to skip that and get a shot if I was Groves' team, for the simple reason Smith didn't exactly prove he was levels above either of them.

maybe, i might be being persuaded on this, but still not sure. I want to see how and who groves fights in may, and what is lined up after that. Maybe a dodson or quigley fight would be a good idea first. I think groes accepts he may be fighting for a vacant title if smigga moves upwards though

Olu G. Rotimi · 04-08-2010, 02:49 PM

Groves for me clearly.

under the wire · 04-08-2010, 04:24 PM

Smith vs Degale would be good.

KingCobra · 04-08-2010, 05:15 PM

The obvious answer but Groves and DeGale are fairly well matched IMO.

ollyc · 04-08-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by avidlemon

smith can win the lonsdale outright against magee.

Smith needs to win two more fights to win the Lonsdale outright.
Groves will go the furthest.

View Poll Results: Who's got it?
George Groves	53	65.43%
James DeGale	14	17.28%
Paul Smith	5	6.17%
Charles Adamu	1	1.23%
Kenny Anderson	1	1.23%
Brian Magee	2	2.47%
Jamie Moore	0	0%
Im unsure	5	6.17%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

04-08-2010, 11:54 AM	#61
TFFP The Eskimo East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Reykjavík Posts: 30,420 vCash: 2500	Re: Who will be the last man standing at super middle? Yes, he stopped him. That makes him better than Carl Dilks who was unlucky but struggled, he didn't dominate the fight so its own fault. Better than Kenny Anderson who struggled with Nathan King who has a 50/50 record. Better than DeGale because DeGale hasn't won a title yet, he hasn't even fought anybody as good as Adamu. Better than Steve McGuire who is a nobody. You tell me, whos out there better than Groves if he can't fight Magee. I'd love to hear it. You want him to face a bum because you are scared he'll lose
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04-08-2010, 12:06 PM	#63
TFFP The Eskimo East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Reykjavík Posts: 30,420 vCash: 2500	Re: Who will be the last man standing at super middle? He is learning. He learns more in the gym than fighting average talent that might in the British top 15 or so. He's sparred good fighters, Fragomeni and others. What's the point in actually looking to fight guys that are way overmatched...you say he learnt nothing against Adamu but he learnt a damn sight more than he would in any 'progession' towards Smith's title. There is no progression, Groves is ahead of that lot. The only thing he could do is fight Quigley or Dodson to show just how laboured and average Smith's performances were and almost force the fight. But I'd be absolutely looking to skip that and get a shot if I was Groves' team, for the simple reason Smith didn't exactly prove he was levels above either of them. If Smith can't get the Magee fight, which is of course a justfied and good move if he can make it, he should give George Groves. The other options are a cop out.
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04-08-2010, 02:14 PM	#64
avidlemon Directly in the bu-ttocks ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Big daddy avid sez smigg will be back! Posts: 3,640 vCash: 1000	Re: Who will be the last man standing at super middle? [quote=TFFP;6516910]He is learning. He learns more in the gym than fighting average talent that might in the British top 15 or so. He's sparred good fighters, Fragomeni and others. What's the point in actually looking to fight guys that are way overmatched...you say he learnt nothing against Adamu but he learnt a damn sight more than he would in any 'progession' towards Smith's title. There is no progression, Groves is ahead of that lot. The only thing he could do is fight Quigley or Dodson to show just how laboured and average Smith's performances were and almost force the fight. But I'd be absolutely looking to skip that and get a shot if I was Groves' team, for the simple reason Smith didn't exactly prove he was levels above either of them. maybe, i might be being persuaded on this, but still not sure. I want to see how and who groves fights in may, and what is lined up after that. Maybe a dodson or quigley fight would be a good idea first. I think groes accepts he may be fighting for a vacant title if smigga moves upwards though
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04-08-2010, 02:49 PM	#65
Olu G. Rotimi Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,618 vCash: 1000	Re: Who will be the last man standing at super middle? Groves for me clearly.
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04-08-2010, 04:24 PM	#66
under the wire Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: When u sleepin im workin, when u workin im workin too Posts: 793 vCash: 500	Re: Who will be the last man standing at super middle? Smith vs Degale would be good.
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04-08-2010, 05:15 PM	#67
KingCobra IBF World Champion ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,038 vCash: 75	Re: Who will be the last man standing at super middle? The obvious answer but Groves and DeGale are fairly well matched IMO.
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