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Old 06-08-2010, 06:11 PM   #16
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Without film it's impossible to know but many of his opponents were out cold for minutes on end Jack Johnson btw said he was the best puncher as did many others, old time manager/promoter Tom O'Rourke, Trainers Harry Lenny and Spider Kelly, fighter Jale Kilrain and a couple of swells called Corbett and Fitz.
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Old 06-08-2010, 06:38 PM   #17
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To be honest Matt, I dont even know if film helps much at all in judging hitting strength. It is impossible, really to tell either way.

So far as i, personally, go i think that in any top 100 lists, the modern fighters are going to dominate, even down to todays era. I think today's era has bigger punchers and sto on the whole. I base this on the fact that modern training is almost primarily focussed on increasing strength and hitting power.

I have to be honest though, i dont see the advanatage of this. If you can hit hard enough to knock someone out for 10 seconds, why do you need to hit even harder and knock them out for 10 minutes? This is where i am not a big fan of modern training, even though it currently produces bigger and stronger fighters.

One thing i am certain of (even without film) is that if Peter Maher hits a big modern super heavy weight cleanly a few times, he will knock him out before long. In this regard, his power is world class without question and if some do in fact hit harder, it isnt by much at all.

This is why to me, speed, skill, chin and stamina is more important than power. Though i am probably in the minority on this nowadays.

And i should have also added, that despite all this power of modern heavys, it is quite rare for heavy's with greatly padded records even, to have such brutal KOs as the likes of Maher, Sullivan and Fitz had, on a regular basis. Maybe it is because of gloves, or maybe the old guys really did time and therefore hit harder than most modern guys. I am not sure why.
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Old 06-08-2010, 06:57 PM   #18
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Boilermaker, opponents are generally better schooled too and dont get hiyt as clean as often.
BTW Maher built his physical power lugging your product around a Dublin brewery!
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Info on the short punch I mentioned?
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Old 06-08-2010, 08:44 PM   #20
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To be honest Matt, I dont even know if film helps much at all in judging hitting strength. It is impossible, really to tell either way.

So far as i, personally, go i think that in any top 100 lists, the modern fighters are going to dominate, even down to todays era. I think today's era has bigger punchers and sto on the whole. I base this on the fact that modern training is almost primarily focussed on increasing strength and hitting power.

I have to be honest though, i dont see the advanatage of this. If you can hit hard enough to knock someone out for 10 seconds, why do you need to hit even harder and knock them out for 10 minutes? This is where i am not a big fan of modern training, even though it currently produces bigger and stronger fighters.

One thing i am certain of (even without film) is that if Peter Maher hits a big modern super heavy weight cleanly a few times, he will knock him out before long. In this regard, his power is world class without question and if some do in fact hit harder, it isnt by much at all.

This is why to me, speed, skill, chin and stamina is more important than power. Though i am probably in the minority on this nowadays.

And i should have also added, that despite all this power of modern heavys, it is quite rare for heavy's with greatly padded records even, to have such brutal KOs as the likes of Maher, Sullivan and Fitz had, on a regular basis. Maybe it is because of gloves, or maybe the old guys really did time and therefore hit harder than most modern guys. I am not sure why.
I somewhat disagree. Film can help a lot in terms of hitting power. If the film is clear enough to see snap and movement of target it is a telltale sign of power.
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:06 PM   #21
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I somewhat disagree. Film can help a lot in terms of hitting power. If the film is clear enough to see snap and movement of target it is a telltale sign of power.
Okay, but let me modify what i said a bit to explain what i meant.

Show me a KO where the fighter is out for 2 minutes that doesnt look brutal and impressive. I have never seen one, although i suppose the Sven Ottke / Anthony Mundine one might be a case.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:53 PM   #23
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Lets face it.

With the myriad of titles and weight classes today, many fighters of the past such as Maher would have had options that they did not have in their own day.
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Maher's twice beat the 6'3 1/2 Ed Dunkhorst, battering him badly in both fights. Maher was 171 and 175 in their respective fights, where as Dunkhorse was 225 and 250.

So, thoughts?
Resorting to a Dunkhorst victory as rationale for any thread is akin to admitting defeat.

I honestly and sincerely believe a prime late-80's Dave Jaco would beat Maher.
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:05 PM   #25
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Info on the short punch I mentioned?
I think we can assume it was not the punch is about to execute here.

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Old 05-06-2012, 06:36 PM   #26
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Are those a bunch of Mexicans on the hill...
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:56 PM   #27
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I think we can assume it was not the punch is about to execute here.

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Seamus a chara, that's not Maher!
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:58 PM   #28
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The use of Dunkhorst to prove any point of relevance to the sport of boxing earns you an ignore.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:09 PM   #29
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Grin... wasn't I who ballyhooed the D******st win!
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Why do people pretend that those weighing circa 170 would be heavyweights today?
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