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Old 06-10-2010, 09:28 PM   #1
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Default dangerous weight loss. what effects on boxers?

when fasting, the body burns fat AND fast twitch muscle.

the bodies immmune system is weakened dramatically, often the boxer catches a flu virus, but because of the preasure of 'turning up', still fights, which leads to dehydration and possible brain damage.

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Other elements that can increase ring death risk include rapid weight loss and dehydration, which slow the reflexes; fighting in the wrong weight class; inadequate medical suspensions or time off between contests; medications such as aspirin or Motrin, which limit the blood's ability to clot; stimulants that increase blood pressure and heart rate; alcohol or steroids, which limit blood clotting; EPO (erythropoietin), which can increase blood thickness and precipitate a stroke or heart attack; and advancing age that shrinks the brain and stretches the tiny vessels connecting the brain to its protective covering that can tear when the head is struck.

there are boxers here that may share stories of boxers losing too much weight and fighting.....sick fighters fighting due to immune system weakening, and becoming hurt.

as much as i rag mundine. i really think he is getting dangerous advice going to 154, when he has already failed to make that weight, and hasnt produced a ko since he left the super middle division.

hes fighting the number 6 argentinian welterweight. there is the confidence in the advice hes geting.

blame jeff malcolm.

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Old 06-10-2010, 09:52 PM   #2
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the body burns fat AND fast twitch muscle.

the bodies immmune system is weakened dramatically, often the boxer catches a flu virus, but because of the preasure of 'turning up', still fights, which leads to dehydration and possible brain damage.




there are boxers here that may share stories of boxers losing too much weight and fighting.....sick fighters fighting due to immune system weakening, and becoming hurt.

as much as i rag mundine. i really think he is getting dangerous advice going to 154, when he has already failed to make that weight, and hasnt produced a ko since he left the super middle division.

hes fighting the number 6 argentinian welterweight. there is the confidence in the advice hes geting.

blame jeff malcolm.
Not Jeffs idea mate....but you can blame another x ESB poster who was a industry pro that got driven out of the forum and insulted.

I guess after a while not 1 industry pro will ever post in here again because of all the hate and personal insults
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:15 PM   #3
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Default Re: dangerous weight loss. what effects on boxers?

i am an athlete of some reasonable level.

I can tell you if i diet a bit too hard and lose maybe 500gms more than i kinda targeted for I get the following.

Headaches
Sore Joints
Muscle bruising lasts alot longer.
Recovery period is shit for any excercise


I am not a fighter but i can tell you EVERYONE has that point where - its too much.

Until a fighter reaches is they might believe it doesnt exists. But honestly - the second that 500gm or 1kg goes back on me i am peak.
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:23 PM   #4
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i am an athlete of some reasonable level.

I can tell you if i diet a bit too hard and lose maybe 500gms more than i kinda targeted for I get the following.

Headaches
Sore Joints
Muscle bruising lasts alot longer.
Recovery period is shit for any excercise


I am not a fighter but i can tell you EVERYONE has that point where - its too much.

Until a fighter reaches is they might believe it doesnt exists. But honestly - the second that 500gm or 1kg goes back on me i am peak.
Interesting last line mate....they plan to have choc sit at 71.5 kgs until 2 days out....he will only be at 69.6 for 1 day....fight time hes back to 73kgs.

Hes 73kgs now and spars 12 hard rounds with 2 fighters (6 each)
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:42 PM   #5
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Not Jeffs idea mate....but you can blame another x ESB poster who was a industry pro that got driven out of the forum and insulted.

I guess after a while not 1 industry pro will ever post in here again because of all the hate and personal insults


Back to the thread subject now ash you ****ing ****smoker

PS - how many insults will it take for you to **** off mate?
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Interesting last line mate....they plan to have choc sit at 71.5 kgs until 2 days out....he will only be at 69.6 for 1 day....fight time hes back to 73kgs.

Hes 73kgs now and spars 12 hard rounds with 2 fighters (6 each)
So why does he need such an easy fight for his 'first at 154lbs' ash you arselicking ****gobbler?
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Back to the thread subject now ash you ****ing ****smoker

PS - how many insults will it take for you to **** off mate?
Keep them coming mate....its not working
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Not Jeffs idea mate....


bull ****en shit. he is in it up to his cranial foreskin...

and if the argie welterweight manages to take a dehydrated, sick, badly advised mundine the distance, and mundine ends up like green did against sullivan....(nearly died) then all mundines nuthuggers, and closest confidants THAT WERE LISTENED TO to, should turn up on malcolms door and get an explination...
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bull ****en shit. he is in it up to his cranial foreskin...

and if the argie welterweight manages to take a dehydrated, sick, badly advised mundine the distance, and mundine ends up like green did against sullivan....(nearly died) then all mundines nuthuggers, and closest confidants THAT WERE LISTENED TO to, should turn up on malcolms door and get an explination...

malcolm is squarely to blame for mundines weight loss. if it results in mundine beating mayweather......jeff can take the credit....
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Back to the thread subject now ash you ****ing ****smoker

PS - how many insults will it take for you to **** off mate?
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So why does he need such an easy fight for his 'first at 154lbs' ash you arselicking ****gobbler?
Why did you answer my first post but not my second one, you cumguzzling arsefelching spunkgullet?
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Why did you answer my first post but not my second one, you cumguzzling arsefelching spunkgullet?
Sorry mate...missed that one.....because its his first hitout at 154

If you were a trainer you would give your charge an easy fight to get set at the weight
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when fasting, the body burns fat and fast twitch muscle.

The bodies immmune system is weakened dramatically, often the boxer catches a flu virus, but because of the preasure of 'turning up', still fights, which leads to dehydration and possible brain damage.




There are boxers here that may share stories of boxers losing too much weight and fighting.....sick fighters fighting due to immune system weakening, and becoming hurt.

As much as i rag mundine. I really think he is getting dangerous advice going to 154, when he has already failed to make that weight, and hasnt produced a ko since he left the super middle division.

Hes fighting the number 6 argentinian welterweight. There is the confidence in the advice hes geting.

Blame jeff malcolm.


blame jeff malcolm!
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Sorry mate...missed that one.....because its his first hitout at 154

If you were a trainer you would give your charge an easy fight to get set at the weight
Ohhh but, if there was a WORLD TITLE on the line it would be okay to put him in against a decent opponent, right?

You said he's sparring 12 hard rounds against 2 decent partners at his current walking weight right now and should have no bother reaching 154 for the weigh in before loading back up to said walking weight for fight night.

If this is true, why does he need such an easy fight at 154?

****'s sakes, do you keep track of the bullshit you spin on here? You are being severely exposed.
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Interesting last line mate....they plan to have choc sit at 71.5 kgs until 2 days out....he will only be at 69.6 for 1 day....fight time hes back to 73kgs.

Hes 73kgs now and spars 12 hard rounds with 2 fighters (6 each)
alright mate i wont pretend to pay much attention to the aussie forum for precisely the reason i am citing ( too much rubbish - not enough talk of boxing).

But i will say this - i do not think Choc will be effective at 154 by any stretch, he isnt fighting a threatening fighter so its hardly a problem. But losing 3kgs in three days ISNT the smart plan.

The effects of deydration and catabolic muscle activity arent reversed in a 24 hour turn around.

Bad move
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Sorry mate...missed that one.....because its his first hitout at 154

If you were a trainer you would give your charge an easy fight to get set at the weight
So instead of Floyd going from super feather straight to a title fight against Castillo at lightweight (which he won), he should have fought an imposter instead?

Cotto should have had an easy touch before jumping from jnr welter to welter to meet Quintano for a title? Even though he won the WBA title in doing so?

JMM must have had balls of steel. Went from Jimrex Jaca at featherweight straight to a title fight with Barrera at super feather. And he won.

Of course you will counter that it's different moving down in weight. And it may be - because ageing fighters should be putting on weight, not starving themselves as they dodge and weeve away from real challenges.

But whatever...those guys I listed didn't need a punching bag to be brought in so they could test the waters before fighting for a title. And the funny part in all this - the end of the rainbow for choc in all this testing the waters first bs is a friggin interim belt which means jack shit anyway. LOL
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