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Old 06-20-2010, 02:40 PM   #46
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You're more than welcome to stand by your idiotic statement, I think that just makes it more hilarious.

Also, Dempsey's gloves were probably loaded against Willard.
Anyone who makes the comparison between Foreman (220lb destroyer) and Dempsey (190lbs at his best) isn't worth taking seriously, mate!

PS - Frazier would actually put Dempsey in a finger roll and bite his ****in head off. Where do these people come from????????????
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:40 PM   #47
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Actually, they probably were not.

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His own manager said they were, that's good enough for me.
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:41 PM   #48
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His own manager said they were, that's good enough for me.
Did you actually read any of that? Obviously not since I just posted that.
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:42 PM   #49
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Loaded gloves, oven gloves, garden gloves! Who gives a ****?

The fight is a hype job and Willard was a gigantic oaf who couldn't fight a lick. Join the ****in millenium.
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:45 PM   #50
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Did you actually read any of that? Obviously not since I just posted that.
I've read it all, years ago, and I don't need to read your particular article posted at this particular time. The evidence says he did it, and mostly later apologists say he didn't and try to nitpick the issue to death. Whether he did or he didn't makes no difference in this particular argument.
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:48 PM   #51
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Moralman! It's good to see you posting again. I have a lot of questions for you that are more suited for the lounge.

But as for your question, I do think it's appropriate for Ali to say that Dempsey had no chance against Ali purely based on styles. You have to realize that boxing itself has evolved and through the generations many fighters' styles have grown much more disciplined. Even fighters that are considered swarmers and punchers by today's standards have comparatively tighter styles than the swarmers of old.

Anyway, it's good to see you back and hope we can correspond further in the future.
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:48 PM   #52
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What evidence? There is none besides that his manager said he did(who he had a conflict of interest with). Tests proved that plaster of paris would have broken after the first punch? If dempsey's gloves were loaded it did not go down how kearns said it did. It IS possible that he had a bolt in his glove. But seeing how it was never found or recovered or identified, that's pure speculation.

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Dempsey at the fight. As you can see, no plaster on those wraps.
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:56 PM   #53
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I like how people are saying that Dempsey would fold under the size difference when he was renowned for brutally KTFOing larger opponents like Willard and especially Firpo.
And they can't even get the size differences right!!!
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And they can't even get the size differences right!!!
Name me a heavyweight of "any significance" that spotted Dempsey a massive amount of weight!

Make sure it's a fighter who could actually tie his own shoe laces!
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Name me a heavyweight of "any significance" that spotted Dempsey a massive amount of weight!

Make sure it's a fighter who could actually tie his own shoe laces!
That's not the point. What he was saying was that Frazier was 40 pounds heavier than Dempsey, which is clearly not the case. Frazier's typical weight was around 200-205, Dempsey in the 190-195 range. Hardly significant, particularly given that Dempsey BLEW AWAY guys like Willard who were MUCH larger than Frazier.
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And they can't even get the size differences right!!!
Yes, we're so hilarious for thinking that a wild swinging light heavyweight with no footwork and no technique would get slaughtered by modern heavyweight fighters. HAHAHAHAHAH
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That's not the point. What he was saying was that Frazier was 40 pounds heavier than Dempsey, which is clearly not the case. Frazier's typical weight was around 200-205, Dempsey in the 190-195 range. Hardly significant, particularly given that Dempsey BLEW AWAY guys like Willard who were MUCH larger than Frazier.
Totally get your first point but Willard was a "meatbag" so assessing Dempsey's talents against that heap is irrelevent!

You surely don't rate Willard?
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Yes, we're so hilarious for thinking that a wild swinging light heavyweight with no footwork and no technique would get slaughtered by modern heavyweight fighters. HAHAHAHAHAH
What are you talking about? No technique? He invented bob and weave technique. That was him. He cut the ring beautifully, which is more than a lot of blown up fatty heavies of today can say.

Dempsey's technique certainly wasn't as refined as a lot of the infighters in later eras but to say that is just completely ignorant.
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What are you talking about? No technique? He invented bob and weave technique. That was him. He cut the ring beautifully, which is more than a lot of blown up fatty heavies of today can say.

Dempsey's technique certainly wasn't as refined as a lot of the infighters in later eras but to say that is just completely ignorant.
In his fight with Willard he swung cartoon punches like a school kid. Oh he broke this and he broke that! Couldn't care less, he looks like shit.

His fight with Firpo is a disgrace. Two workers fighting over a pie!

He was outboxed by Gene Tunney who circumvented the ring like a nervous drunk.
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You know you're out of arguments when you resort to stupid analogies.
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