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Old 08-05-2010, 08:48 PM   #1
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Default Emergence of Lebedev and Pirog!

As you are all no doubt aware: Denis Lebedev and Dimitri Pirog have recently burst onto the World boxing scene. This in and of itself is not suprising what does suprise me is that these guys were not products off the Russian Federations assembly line of amateur standouts.

Levedev and Pirog have seemingly cultivated professional fight styles without the benefit of an extensive or overly successfull amateur background/foundation.

What makes me curious is that there appears to be a grass roots, sub culture developing in Russia that is cultivating professional fighters with styles that take from more traditional Western professional skill sets.

Is this indeed the case where Russian trainers are adopting the mad scientist approach and incorporating the most effective elements of multiple boxing schools of though or are guys like Pirog and Lebedev just rare exceptions, particularly Pirog?
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:42 AM   #2
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Lebedev is the TRUTH.
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:53 PM   #3
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Don't know much about Pirog's amateur background, but Lebedev was a pretty decent middleweight amateur (if I'm not mistaken), who was at least final four level in the nationals.
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Old 08-06-2010, 11:32 PM   #4
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There is an interview with Pirog on bscene where he gives backround on some of these things. some excerpts

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"You are right, Alexey. I trained for all of my earlier pro fights myself. I mean I didnít need any coaches at all. Itís hard to find somebody to teach you new things and my conviction is that amateur mentors arenít capable of this. However I realize good team is a must for future accomplishments. I have been looking for good specialists for a long time and it was a hard search. Now Iím working with Vyacheslav Nepogodin and Victor Petrochenko and Iím really satisfied with our mutual connection."

asked if it was a deliberate choice to fight with a more american style

"To a certain degree. I like what Iím seeing from some American fighters and Iíve adopted some of their movements to improve my defense. I use upper body movement while infighting and I try to get a better use of such an effective weapon as an uppercut. Iím not copying anybody, however. I try to implement new tricks in my system of boxing if they are really valuable. Sometimes I notice some fresh movements and gimmicks while studying tapes. Then I try to mimic them during training sessions."

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"I met such notables as Andrey Mishin (2002 European champion), Alexander Maletin (1997 World and 2000, 2002 and 2004 European champion) and Oleg Saitov (two-time Olympic gold medalist in 1996 and 2000) and every time gave them hell of a fight."

- Pirog said that while on holidays in Germany he trained with Golovkin. He was really impressed with his skills as a person and that Golovkin will definitley be a World Champion one day.

- His amateur record was around 200-30, not sure exact numbers

-biggest amateur wins were
Silver in "Olympic hopes" Tournament
Silver in Armed Forces Championship of the CIS
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So almost 250 amateur fights means he was certianly part of the system. He seems to just be very creative in using whatever he thinks works. Inside the ring too he seems quite improvisational and good at making adjustments in the moment.

In the post fight press conference they had when he arrived back in Russia his trainer basically said the same thing that Pirog does about them using whatever they think if effective. If you havenít read that transcript you definitely should itís a very enjoyable and interesting read.

I have some early 1980ís instructional boxing videos from the Soviet Union and one focuses on the Cuban style another the American style, studying your opponent is essential in any form of competition. I do think that the American media does overplay the ďEastern European robotĒ stereotype tremendously.

Pirog said that one of his sparring partners was Maxim Vlasov. You should check him out i really like the look of him. Not as much upperbody movement as Pirog but still has quite a bit & is good at it, fluid style, and is very fun to watch. Looks to have alot of potential.

23 years old, 6'3 SMW, 18-0. He's only stepped up the competition in his last 5 fights or so.

This KO is brutal
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0D_TR6Ye5E[/ame]
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:16 AM   #6
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Great info as always Vysotsky!

I have seen Vlasov three times and from what I can tell he seems to be coming into his own, especially with his power.

Just wait until Lomanchenko turns pro. The U.S. media will have seizures...
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I dont know too much about Ukranian boxing (sides maybe the Klits) but i remember seeing this Lomanchenko kid at the Olympics.... and he looked quite good!
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Great info as always Vysotsky!

I have seen Vlasov three times and from what I can tell he seems to be coming into his own, especially with his power.

Just wait until Lomanchenko turns pro. The U.S. media will have seizures...

I don't know that Lomanchenko is going to turn pro. He makes a ton as an amateur in the Ukraine from what I remember.
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I don't know that Lomanchenko is going to turn pro. He makes a ton as an amateur in the Ukraine from what I remember.
He said he was after 2012. Alot of the talk about him possibly turning pro after the 2008 Olympics was due to how displeased he was with the money he was getting. He's getting more now and is happy enough to stay amateur for until 2012 but there's now way i could see him remaining a life long amateur.
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Both Pirog and Lebedev should at the very least hold trinkets over the next few years. These self-made men are very inspirational, and it's nice to see a couple of them make good.
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I do find it interesting that there are a number of Russian fighters with more American styles. You can add Provodnikov and Chudinov to that list as well.
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