would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame?

good right hand · 11-19-2007, 12:15 AM

i was just wondering about this, i know the hall of fame is becoming more about fame and less about achievement but among the names of hw inducted

johnson
depsey
marciano
norton
frazier
foreman
ali
liston
patterson

and future names

holyfield
lewis
tyson
holmes

would tim witherspoon fit in with these greats?

some only know him for his losses to everett martin and james smith

but aside from that his resume is pretty close to great,

2x title holder

beat 4 hw champions

has wins over at a dozen contenders including carl williams, james tillis and renaldo snipes who where neck and neck to being title holders.

has questionable loss to older holmes ( i scored it 116-115 witherspoon after watching it).

if we look soley at the induction of james braddock then im sure he has a good chance, i think he may get within the next few years.

Manassa · 11-19-2007, 12:40 AM

If Witherspoon gets into the Hall of Fame, I'll squeeze my nuts through the gap in a park bench and stand up very quickly.

Robbi · 11-19-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Manassa

If Witherspoon gets into the Hall of Fame, I'll squeeze my nuts through the gap in a park bench and stand up very quickly.

If McGuian can get in, Witherspoon can as well. It seems any fighter who held a world title is eligible for induction.

If Witherspoon does get inducted into Canastota, I'd laugh rather than squeeze my nuts through the gap in a park bench then rise quickly.

I'll keep my nuts.

brooklyn1550 · 11-19-2007, 01:40 AM

No

sthomas · 11-19-2007, 02:05 AM

No. Getting KO'd in 1 by Bonecrusher Smith disqualifies him, as does a loss to Marvis Frazier. Manassa, Don't do it! Witherspoons not worth it.

JohnThomas1 · 11-19-2007, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sthomas

No. Getting KO'd in 1 by Bonecrusher Smith disqualifies him, as does a loss to Marvis Frazier.

I must've missed the second one.

RoccoMarciano · 11-19-2007, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

I must've missed the second one.

I think we all did...

Mendoza · 11-19-2007, 08:05 AM

No, but let's look at it objectively. In a weak future year year with many lower weight fighters on the ballot, Witherpsoon can get in.

Witherspoon for my money is better than Ingo, Braddock, and Godfrey. Those guys are in the hall of fame too. He just lacks the fame and fans, which is half of the voting process.

Titan1 · 11-19-2007, 09:31 AM

No, but if the standards are lowered, it will happen.

Smith · 11-19-2007, 09:41 AM

HELL NO.....

People can not keep using McGuigan as an excuse for others deserving to get in. McGuigan is the exception, yes maybe he should not be their, but its happened, doesnt mean we need the hall diluted further.

mr. magoo · 11-19-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sthomas

No. Getting KO'd in 1 by Bonecrusher Smith disqualifies him, as does a loss to Marvis Frazier. Manassa, Don't do it! Witherspoons not worth it.

Tim Witherspoon never even fought Marvis Frazier, and the concensus of most people is that the Smith fight was a dive.

That being said, I'm not sure if I can classify Witherspoon as a hall of famer, but I'd say he's at least knocking on the door.

Witherspoon defeated a lot of ranked fighters throughout his career, Tubbs, Page, Smith, Broad, Tillis, Snipes, Ribalta, Williams, and Gonzalez. Also for whatever its worth, he was a two time champion, and also held a variety of small regional belts here and there as well. His fight with Holmes early in his career, as well as his bout with Mercer late, were both contoversial losses, and we have to take into account that his career was largely hindered by corrupt promoting and politcs.

Witherspoon can never be mentioned on the same plain as Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Louis, Ali, Foreman, Marciano or others, but he was definately a well acheived fighter, who stands on the boarder berween good and great.

brownpimp88 · 11-19-2007, 05:38 PM

Witherspoon wanted to fight holyfield around 89-91, why didnt it happen, i would have given him a very good chance of winning.

196osh · 11-19-2007, 06:28 PM

No. The HOF should be for specail fighters. Not just ones that have won a belt.

ThinBlack · 03-03-2013, 10:24 PM

I think Tim just misses the cut, if he was judged on his career up to 1986, he might have make it, but his overall work, at times embarrassing.

Boxed Ears · 03-03-2013, 10:44 PM

On his boxing achievements? No. Not for me. But, in terms of fame as it's a hall of fame, also no.

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good right hand Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Go to the body... there's organs in there Posts: 953 vCash: 1000	would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? i was just wondering about this, i know the hall of fame is becoming more about fame and less about achievement but among the names of hw inducted johnson depsey marciano norton frazier foreman ali liston patterson and future names holyfield lewis tyson holmes would tim witherspoon fit in with these greats? some only know him for his losses to everett martin and james smith but aside from that his resume is pretty close to great, 2x title holder beat 4 hw champions has wins over at a dozen contenders including carl williams, james tillis and renaldo snipes who where neck and neck to being title holders. has questionable loss to older holmes ( i scored it 116-115 witherspoon after watching it). if we look soley at the induction of james braddock then im sure he has a good chance, i think he may get within the next few years.
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11-19-2007, 12:40 AM	#2
Manassa - East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ESB since '05 Posts: 9,774 vCash: 75	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? If Witherspoon gets into the Hall of Fame, I'll squeeze my nuts through the gap in a park bench and stand up very quickly.
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11-19-2007, 01:40 AM	#4
brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 12,401 vCash: 1000	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? No
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11-19-2007, 02:05 AM	#5
sthomas Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,086 vCash: 1000	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? No. Getting KO'd in 1 by Bonecrusher Smith disqualifies him, as does a loss to Marvis Frazier. Manassa, Don't do it! Witherspoons not worth it.
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11-19-2007, 08:05 AM	#8
Mendoza Dominating a decade East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,750 vCash: 1000	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? No, but let's look at it objectively. In a weak future year year with many lower weight fighters on the ballot, Witherpsoon can get in. Witherspoon for my money is better than Ingo, Braddock, and Godfrey. Those guys are in the hall of fame too. He just lacks the fame and fans, which is half of the voting process.
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11-19-2007, 09:31 AM	#9
Titan1 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,423 vCash: 1000	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? No, but if the standards are lowered, it will happen.
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11-19-2007, 09:41 AM	#10
Smith Monzon-like East Side Guru Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 8,804 vCash: 484	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? HELL NO..... People can not keep using McGuigan as an excuse for others deserving to get in. McGuigan is the exception, yes maybe he should not be their, but its happened, doesnt mean we need the hall diluted further.
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11-19-2007, 05:38 PM	#12
brownpimp88 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,692 vCash: 1000	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? Witherspoon wanted to fight holyfield around 89-91, why didnt it happen, i would have given him a very good chance of winning.
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11-19-2007, 06:28 PM	#13
196osh Mendes Bros. East Side VIP Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 11,467 vCash: 277	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? No. The HOF should be for specail fighters. Not just ones that have won a belt.
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ThinBlack Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,969 vCash: 1000	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? I think Tim just misses the cut, if he was judged on his career up to 1986, he might have make it, but his overall work, at times embarrassing.
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Boxed Ears Lowering Post Count East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brunoilia, Hehsland Posts: 51,293 vCash: 7500	Re: would you vote for tim witherspoon for the hall of fame? On his boxing achievements? No. Not for me. But, in terms of fame as it's a hall of fame, also no.
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