P4P Top 10 Official Survey (Poll Closes October 27)

[Stonehands89]

1. Harry Greb
2. Ray Robinson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Roberto Duran
6. Archie Moore
7. Mickey Walker
8. Benny Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Charley Burley

[janitor]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

My list

1. Jones Jr
2. Jones Jr
3. Jones Jr
4. Jones Jr
5. Jones Jr
6. Jones Jr
7. Jones Jr
8. Jones Jr
9. Jones Jr
10. Jones Jr

hon mentions: Mayweather, Robinson, Whitaker, Ali

I would be interested to see your serious list.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by janitor

I would be interested to see your serious list.

I would be interested to see yours (which i'm betting will be just as controversial as PP's).

[itrymariti]

1. Harry Greb
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Harry Greb
7. Carlos Monzon
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Bob Foster
10. Lennox Lewis

[El Bujia]

1. Harry Greb
2. Sam Langford
3. Ray Robinson
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Bob Fitzsimmons
6. Roberto Duran
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Joe Gans
9. Packey McFarland
10. Benny Leonard

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by itrymariti

10. Lennox Lewis

I'd be curious to hear your views on this, and I'd also be curious to know where you rank Lennox on your top 10 heavyweight list.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Rumsfeld

I'd be curious to hear your views on this, and I'd also be curious to know where you rank Lennox on your top 10 heavyweight list.

He's taking the piss.

[TheGreatA]

Originally Posted by Rumsfeld

I'd be curious to hear your views on this, and I'd also be curious to know where you rank Lennox on your top 10 heavyweight list.

Number's 5 through 10 were accidentally included there from itrymariti's top 5 most hated list.

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by McGrain

I certainly wouldn't be boycotting. I just wouldn't know where to start.

Sure you would. Those divisions don't date back that far.

In any case, just wanted to note that your prediction about diminishing returns as we went down the weight classes played out. With each new survey, the number of participants decreased.

I suspect already that it will go back up for this one.

Back to topic, I'm not sure if I'm happy with my own list.

[McGrain]

Nobody is...

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Nobody is...

I was happy with every other list I made, and I think I only tweaked two of my lists after first posting them (the heavyweights and the flyweights).

These lists seem repetitive here, and I guess that was the case for all of them to some extent, but with a P4P list I was expecting a bit more variety.

I still maintain a guy like Hagler often gets penalized on these sorts of lists, because he spent his entire career at one weight class.

But the way I see it, I'm not really sure whether bonus points should be deserved for succeeding in multiple weight classes due to the traditional textbook definition of what P4P means.

At the same time, I was reluctant to include any heavyweights on my list which kind of goes against my prior point.

I need to give this more thought. I may radically change my list.

[McGrain]

The weight issue breaks down like this for me: it's much harder to beat a great fighter who is naturally bigger than than it is to beat a great fighter who is the same size. The harder it is to beat the men you beat, the better you are. The more you do the greater you become. So yeah, beating MW's when you are a middleweight is less impressive than beating a light-heavyweight when you are a middleweight. And the rankings are going to reflect that.

[Pachilles]

Originally Posted by McGrain

I would be interested to see yours (which i'm betting will be just as controversial as PP's).

I imagine PowerPunchers would be almost identical to mine, with the exclusion of Pacquiao and Sanchez and the inclusion of Charles and Moore

Janitor's wont include anybody post-1930 with the exception of SRR

[Rumsfeld]

Originally Posted by McGrain

The weight issue breaks down like this for me: it's much harder to beat a great fighter who is naturally bigger than than it is to beat a great fighter who is the same size. The harder it is to beat the men you beat, the better you are. The more you do the greater you become. So yeah, beating MW's when you are a middleweight is less impressive than beating a light-heavyweight when you are a middleweight. And the rankings are going to reflect that.

That's a fair take, but doesn't this violate the spirit of the original meaning of the term "pound for pound"?

[Minotauro]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Sam Langford
4. Harry Greb
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Roberto Duran
7. Willie Pep
8. Joe Louis
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Walcott