Tyson Fury training with Emanuel Steward

[Cachibatches]

Originally Posted by boxing4eva

The longer someone has boxed, the longer their habits are ingrained, the longer it takes the change them. Fury needs a total overhaul, anyone who thinks that on his current path of how he trains and fights thinks he's ever going to go above domestic is day dreaming.

Over the course of the last 2 years many notable trainers in the US heard of Tyson Fury, due to the publicity he was getting here in combination with his name, and raised an interest... until they actually saw him fight.

If he was an unknown training with Stewart then perhaps he wouldn't have the distraction or expectation that he currently does and would train accordingly, but that isn't the case. I imagine he's going to pick up a few things, then continue as he has been doing.

From his physical shape I can only assume his team don't agree with road running, or have some gypsy boxer wives tale about how if you eat 5 pies with each meal it makes you strong

I agree with you about bad habits. But with less than 25 amatuer fights, far less than 20 professional fights, and at chronologically 22 years of age, he has all the time in the world. Maybe he even has to loose a couple to get him in the right mindset, but time is on his side.

Publicity because of his name? That is an insult to the great trainers who are interested in him. How about tremendous potential due to his combination of size and hand speed, and his being competitive in the amatuers with guys like David Price though he had far less fights?

He is visiting Stewart because he realizes that he is not what he was hyped up to be. He has talked about retirement after the the first McDermott and the Powers fight. Instead of retiring he has manned it up and tried to improve instead. Good for him.

I am not British and don't understand the gyspsy hate, but if he sticks with Steward, his condition will get much bettter.

Bottom line: We understand that he needs an overhaul, and are thus very excited about his contact with Steward. Fury has realized his serious weaknesses and has moved to correct them. Hopefully, he will stay with Steward, and, if he does, the sky is the limit on his potential.

[mcguirpa]

Originally Posted by boxing4eva

I'd like it to be different but I just don't see how it's possible. He needs so much work doing. Like someone above said, His only hope of ever going above domestic level is to forget popularity, fighting regularly, building his name. Stick with Stewart, train train train train for a few years with a fight here and there, he needs completely redeveloping

He doesn't need completely redeveloping, that's nonsense. He just needs bringing on. He's a natural fighter: Excellent size, good speed and power, good chin and despite what people say good stamina.

[boxfans]

Originally Posted by mcguirpa

He doesn't need completely redeveloping, that's nonsense. He just needs bringing on. He's a natural fighter: Excellent size, good speed and power, good chin and despite what people say good stamina.

great post watched tyson train he has a good engine

[portside]

Originally Posted by boxing4eva

The longer someone has boxed, the longer their habits are ingrained, the longer it takes the change them. Fury needs a total overhaul, anyone who thinks that on his current path of how he trains and fights thinks he's ever going to go above domestic is day dreaming.

Over the course of the last 2 years many notable trainers in the US heard of Tyson Fury, due to the publicity he was getting here in combination with his name, and raised an interest... until they actually saw him fight.

If he was an unknown training with Stewart then perhaps he wouldn't have the distraction or expectation that he currently does and would train accordingly, but that isn't the case. I imagine he's going to pick up a few things, then continue as he has been doing.

From his physical shape I can only assume his team don't agree with road running, or have some gypsy boxer wives tale about how if you eat 5 pies with each meal it makes you strong

don,t underestimate a gypsy[traveler], all travelers no a lot about tyson, were a small comunity, with a lot of hope for him to do well, its a nown fact that tyson works very hard in the gym, runs many miles, infact he,s prone to overtrain, his problem is the 20 hours a day when he's not in the gym, he once ate over £100 worth of mcdonalds in a bet, he can eat six birthday size cakes at 1 sitting, when travelers can go on the internet and get info on correct healthy eating info and im sure tyson has had many diet sheets, and many supplement companys offering free goods, but you can take a horse to water but can't make it drink it, i hope tyson improves with his u.s. trainer, and goodluck to him for trying,but boxing is a longterm thing, when you can put a stone on in 48hrs then it doesen't take long to undo months of hardwork.

[boxing4eva]

Originally Posted by mcguirpa

He doesn't need completely redeveloping, that's nonsense. He just needs bringing on. He's a natural fighter: Excellent size, good speed and power, good chin and despite what people say good stamina.

That depends on what your expectations are. If he wants to be a domestic level boxer that maybe strays into euro level, like many British heavy weights such as Skelton, Sprott and so on, then yeah I think if he improves on what he's doing he'll achieve that. But if you're talking about competing at world class then forget about it, It doesn't matter if he's "young", "still learning", there isn't a chance unless he radically redevelops himself

[KingCobra]

Good match. If Steward can't sort Fury out no-one can. Hope it becomes permanent.

[Farmboxer]

Steward is the perfect trainer for Fury.

[cockney wankers]

Originally Posted by Cachibatches

Finally, a sign that the man knows he is not as good as his dad and uncle told him he is.

If Steward can A) Gets his ass in shape, B) Get him some decent sparring, C) teach him to fight tall, then Fury can really become something.

Couldn't agree more. It really pisses me off when talented British fighters hire very UNtalented British trainers who are little more than towel wavers and cheerleaders.

Just look at the improvement in Khan as a perfect example. All British fighters with serious aspirations should relocate to do their training in the USA. They can always have their fights in the UK

[cockney wankers]

Originally Posted by lirva

Well done to Tyson Fury.

He has accepted that he needs better training and has shown that he is willing to go to america to get top notch training and sparring. This is the exact thing that Enzo should have done after the Bruce Scott fight. Enzo was knocked down and barely won the fight with a power left hook. His deficiencies were glaring but his power bailed him out and he started to believe his power and believe his own hype as WBU "world champ". He went on to fight garbage cans for the next 10-15 fights, learning nothing and continuing to show the same glaring deficiencies in every fight. During this time he could have been seriously developing under the tutilage of a serious american trainer like Sweart who has worked with big men and knows how to get them fighting to their advantages. We all know what happened when Enzo went up against Haye/Afolabi/Lebedev/Frenkel... all fighters that I believe Enzo had the beating of if he had ironed out his flaws instead of staying in his comfort zone fighting garbage.

Fury is doing teh right thing here and deserves the utmost respect.

Yep. Good example

[11player]

Fury desperatelly needs to lear how to use his size, control de distance, how to protect himself, his defensive skills are poor, McDermott was hitting him at will, and Steward is the perfect trainer to teach him all that.

[gooners!!]

Originally Posted by mcguirpa

He doesn't need completely redeveloping, that's nonsense. He just needs bringing on. He's a natural fighter: Excellent size, good speed and power, good chin and despite what people say good stamina.

I'd say he does to be honest, he pushes the jab, cant seem to fight on the backfoot, has a poor defense, although I agree with you about the bolded.

Originally Posted by boxing4eva

That depends on what your expectations are. If he wants to be a domestic level boxer that maybe strays into euro level, like many British heavy weights such as Skelton, Sprott and so on, then yeah I think if he improves on what he's doing he'll achieve that. But if you're talking about competing at world class then forget about it, It doesn't matter if he's "young", "still learning", there isn't a chance unless he radically redevelops himself

Agree. I think he lacks world class power, and that the only thing that could negate that in order to help him operate on a world class level, is if he were especially good technically, or defensively, he doesn't tick on of those criteria's for me, although he is fun to watch.

[antcull]

Steward is actually perfect for him.

Fury seems to be oblivious as to how to use his massive height and reach advantages in fights, Steward is the best at getting tall HWs to use these attributes. Fury is so raw but the potential to do something is there. As I've said in other threads regarding Fury nobody will know what the HW division will be like when the Klits are gone and Fury should be entering close to his prime around the time Wlad is retiring.

He needs to put in a lot of hardwork, which Steward should get out of him.

Lets hope it does happen for Furys sake.

[MaliBua]

This is going to end up in a catastrophe.

[mcguirpa]

I'd say he does to be honest

I think we're just debating terminology. I don't see how a fighter so raw can need redeveloping. Ricky Hatton went to Mayweather to be redeveloped, Pac was redeveloped by Roach, Wlad was redeveloped by Steward. All these were fighters with ingrained styles of fighting, mid-late in their careers that were not going to fulfil their potential with their styles.

Fury, as yet, is too raw to need redeveloping. He just needs developing.

[JonOli]

Good for Fury, I hope it works out for him, gets the best out of his physical attributes.