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Old 11-03-2010, 12:24 AM   #46
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It would be interesting to revisit this thread in in 2012 to see how our predications went.
That would be way too early to revisit it. I think a number of those guys will eventually win titles, but that's assuming they stick around long enough for the Klitschkos to go away. The only ones with the raw ingredients to beat a Klitschko are Helenius and Fury (and maybe Boytsov vs. Wlad if Boytsov can learn to integrate his earlier, more aggressive style with better head movement), but they're so far away that they wouldn't stand a chance any time in the near future.
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Old 11-03-2010, 03:42 AM   #47
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Just a bum, might have a future in bodybuilding..
I have trained in the same gym as him.

He is very talented boxer, he might not be good enough to win world title, but EU/European championship could be in his future

definitely not a bum.
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you're right i'm just in a bad mood . but haapoja will ktfo him
Donít think so. In their first meeting Rosberg was overwhelmed in front of his hometown crowd and lost many early rounds.

After he settled down he came back and won enough late rounds to get decision. If they decide to have a rematch Rosberg will win in more dominant fashion
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:55 AM   #49
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Donít think so. In their first meeting Rosberg was overwhelmed in front of his hometown crowd and lost many early rounds.

After he settled down he came back and won enough late rounds to get decision. If they decide to have a rematch Rosberg will win in more dominant fashion
didn't that get changed to No contest, though?
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:17 AM   #50
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didn't that get changed to No contest, though?
Yeah.

But Rosberg is clearly the better fighter of the two.
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:39 AM   #51
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It would be interesting to revisit this thread in in 2012 to see how our predications went.


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That would be way too early to revisit it. I think a number of those guys will eventually win titles, but that's assuming they stick around long enough for the Klitschkos to go away. The only ones with the raw ingredients to beat a Klitschko are Helenius and Fury (and maybe Boytsov vs. Wlad if Boytsov can learn to integrate his earlier, more aggressive style with better head movement), but they're so far away that they wouldn't stand a chance any time in the near future.
I tend to think one of the fighters in this thread wins a world championship belt in 2012. Haye is not that good, and might lose to Harrison. Vitali might retire sometime in 2011 or 2012, opening up the WBC belt. Wlad might be stripped of the IBF or WBO on politics.
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I tend to think one of the fighters in this thread wins a world championship belt in 2012. Haye is not that good, and might lose to Harrison. Vitali might retire sometime in 2011 or 2012, opening up the WBC belt. Wlad might be stripped of the IBF or WBO on politics.
There is no change that Haye will lose to Audley. They are completely different levels.

Even Hayes sparring partner would destroy Audley
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There is no change that Haye will lose to Audley. They are completely different levels.

Even Hayes sparring partner would destroy Audley
Yeah, but boxing is a funny sport because of the chin factor. You got it or don't, and it don't matter about your other skills if you don't. I don't really believe that Haye is glass jawed, but he defiantely can be hurt by audley.
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Yeah, but boxing is a funny sport because of the chin factor. You got it or don't, and it don't matter about your other skills if you don't. I don't really believe that Haye is glass jawed, but he defiantely can be hurt by audley.
Your right he can be hurt, but Audley himself has a glass jaw and dosent really throw much punches.

I guess he could get lucky shot and drop Haye, but even then I think the changes are that Haye would recover and finnish Audley off later.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:24 AM   #55
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i am not going to be caught in a thread about unknown european heavyweight boxers who have made no impact what soever in north america,these fighters are not even on the radar screen i have not heard one whisper of any of them
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Outside of rounds though, I think Helenius is still much less of a finished product than Pulev. Helenius might start challenging top guys soon, but I personally thinks he needs at least two more years before making a run at the top. He's been improving, but slowly. He really needs to improve his footwork and defense before becoming a top guy, and he could stand to tighten up the jab as well. I do like how he'll attack the body even though he's a tall guy.
Good post, actually damn good post...

helenius Might have some potential but he is not ready yet, not even close...
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Yeah.

But Rosberg is clearly the better fighter of the two.
Clearly better? Nope...

He just got the tools to beat as huge guy he is little but mighty Haapoja who for Christ Sake is natural middleweight if he just got in shape..

Rosberg always was in Queer Streets after Haapoja hit his Glass Neck with that punch.
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i am not going to be caught in a thread about unknown european heavyweight boxers who have made no impact what soever in north america,these fighters are not even on the radar screen i have not heard one whisper of any of them
You are welcome to be in the thread if you like, but it sure seems that a lot of good posters have also heard of some of these guys, so I am not sure what you are saying.

Also, the point is that they are prospects. Indeed, they are not well known yet.
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Outside of rounds though, I think Helenius is still much less of a finished product than Pulev. Helenius might start challenging top guys soon, but I personally thinks he needs at least two more years before making a run at the top. He's been improving, but slowly. He really needs to improve his footwork and defense before becoming a top guy, and he could stand to tighten up the jab as well. I do like how he'll attack the body even though he's a tall guy.
Yeah. The right hand to the body makes up for a lot of technical deficiencies.
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I like Mendoza's system

5 star = Ring Magazine Champion, 1 or more world title belts.
4.5 star = Major world title holder, and top 3-4 Ring Magazine Rated
4 star = World title holder, WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA..top 5-7 Ring Mag Rated
3.5 star = Good enough for a regional belt, and possible world belt.
3 star = Will not crack the top 10 in their career. May get a title shot
2.5 star = Will not crack the top 20 in their career, but decent enough
2.0 star = Top 25-50 Box Rec type at best
1.5 star = Will quickly fade after their first or second stoppage loss
1.0 Hype job



RobertHelenius ****

Kubrat Pulev ****1/2, the best of the bunch in my opinion too.

Dennis Boytsov ***1/2

Vyacheslav Glazkov ***

Magomed Abdusalamov Never saw him



Deontay Wilder **
Tor Hammer Never saw him
Tyson Fury **1/2
Derrick Chisora - ****1/2, but Wlad is too early.
Tom Dallas - Never saw him
David Price - Never saw him



Alexander Dimitrenko ***1/2
Francesco Pianeta ***1/2
Timur Ibragimov ***
Albert Sosnowski ***1/2
Alexander Ustinov ***
Oleh Platov **
Neven Pajkic - **1/2
Edmund Gerber - ***1/2, will be european champion.
Ondrej Pala **
Andrzej Wawrzyk **
Mariusz Wach Never saw him
Vladimir Virchis (if he is even still fighting) ***
Yakup Saglam *1/2
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