Bernard Hopkins v Max Baer

If Max turns up to fight he's probably going to KILL Hopkins.

Of course if he turns up to pose and clown he might get outpointed.

But seriously we have to consider them both ON THEIR BEST NIGHTS.

And Baer at his best would just mow Hopkins down, destroy him, perhaps kill him.

Baer's ridiculously under-rated here. Sure he could stink a joint out, play just for laughs and his technique was crude. But he was a MONSTER, raw power, a good athlete and a granite head.

If Hopkins can beat guys like that why's he been fighting for peanuts in the MIDDLEWEIGHT division for all those years ?
You hear him calling out Sam Peter, Lamon Brewster and David Tua ? I dont.

[cuchulain]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Under modern rules and 12 rounds.

Let's say Hopkins weights 170-175 at the weigh in and Max around 210.

Who wins and why?

Posts like this will erode your credibility.

This is even wilder than Senya having RJJ over a prime Ali
and

CHJ having Joe over Rocky.

[Maxmomer]

Originally Posted by cuchulain

Posts like this will erode your credibility.

This is even wilder than Senya having RJJ over a prime Ali
and

CHJ having Joe over Rocky.

He's not sayong Hopkins would beat him.

[red cobra]

He would not have intended to, but Max Baer may have very well killed Hopkins, at the very least, he would have, if he didn't hold back, knock Bernard clean out of the ring with the force of a right hand landing flush. Against a much smaller man, Max may have clowned around a bit, and not tried to behead his man.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by cuchulain

Posts like this will erode your credibility.

This is even wilder than Senya having RJJ over a prime Ali
and

CHJ having Joe over Rocky.

Calm yourself. A fantasy match up doesn't have to be about an agenda. I was interested, at the time I opened this thread (some time ago) in perceptions of Hopkins ring generalship and in perceptions of Max Baer's lack of ring genership; and how power and punching might re-dress that balance.

Please read the thread before attacking my credibility. There is a shorter version of this post in post 3.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Sonny's jab

If Hopkins can beat guys like that why's he been fighting for peanuts in the MIDDLEWEIGHT division for all those years ?
You hear him calling out Sam Peter, Lamon Brewster and David Tua ? I dont.

At the time I opened this thread, yes, Hopkins was calling out Maskaev.

[ChrisPontius]

Hopkins calls out everyone. Then he demands a ridiculous amount of the money and prices himself out. Action speaks louder than words. Look at his resume, the best fighters were welterweights like De La Hoya and Trinidad. He priced himself out of a Jones-rematch. He made Calzaghe an offer in 2002 which was pretty bad for Joe, but he took it, and a day later, Hopkins "declined" his own offer and wanted more money.

Of course, Hagler and Monzon also have their best wins against smaller guys.

Originally Posted by McGrain

At the time I opened this thread, yes, Hopkins was calling out Maskaev.

I'm not sure Maskaev's power compares to that of Baer though.
I dont think Hopkins has ever called out a young "live" monstrous punching heavyweight like Baer, or even the guys I mentioned (when they were still good). I might be wrong.

Anyway, I dont deny that Hopkins may be able to outbox some decent big guys. And if Baer comes to loaf around I could see Hopkins doing a Braddock.

But a semi-serious young Maxie Baer would kill him.The fighter that massacred Schmeling against ANY version of Hopkins you choose, it's a mismatch.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Sonny's jab

I'm not sure Maskaev's power compares to that of Baer though.

No no, I don't think so. It was just an answer to your question about Hopkins and why he was being put in with a HW.

[enquirer]

I would say monzons' best wins were against valdez and briscoe,both natural middles....Even griffith grew into a proper middle,only napoles was smaller,and he was the no1 p4p in the sport at the time and an atg....

[Senya13]

Why Maskaev's power could not be compared with Baer's, may I ask? Baer actually reminds me of Vladimir Virchis of modern heavyweights.

[cuchulain]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Calm yourself. A fantasy match up doesn't have to be about an agenda. I was interested, at the time I opened this thread (some time ago) in perceptions of Hopkins ring generalship and in perceptions of Max Baer's lack of ring genership; and how power and punching might re-dress that balance.

Please read the thread before attacking my credibility. There is a shorter version of this post in post 3.

I'm NOT attacking it. Just pointing out that the mere thought of BHop having a chance here is a bit off the wall.

I find you a credible poster, usually with something sensible to say.