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Old 01-18-2011, 09:23 AM   #31
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Funny you should bring up the name Ruby Goldstein. Ruby Goldstein as a young lightweight prospect was considered to be the next Benny Leonard.Nat Fkeischer called young Ruby the hardest hitting lightweight since Aurelio Herrera. He dropped or stopped every fighter he met ,until he was matched with a lightweight from Nebraska by the very apt name of Ace Hudkins .My dad saw that fight.in the first rd Goldstein ,tagged Hudkins on the chin with his pile driver right hand and Ace landed on his back.But Hudkins[as tough as
LaMotta] somehow got up before 10, and kod Ruby in the second rd.
Goldstein had a glass jaw and went downhill from there...
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Funny you should bring up the name Ruby Goldstein. Ruby Goldstein as a young lightweight prospect was considered to be the next Benny Leonard.Nat Fkeischer called young Ruby the hardest hitting lightweight since Aurelio Herrera. He dropped or stopped every fighter he met ,until he was matched with a lightweight from Nebraska by the very apt name of Ace Hudkins .My dad saw that fight.in the first rd Goldstein ,tagged Hudkins on the chin with his pile driver right hand and Ace landed on his back.But Hudkins[as tough as
LaMotta] somehow got up before 10, and kod Ruby in the second rd.
Goldstein had a glass jaw and went downhill from there...
Yes, Goldstein was one of those "can't miss" fighters, who seemed to have everything... except a sturdy chin! He made the cover of The Ring at just 18 and appeared headed for stardom - but was more or less ruined by the tough Hudkins. I seem to recall, that you once mentioned something about your dad losing money on the Hudkins fight??
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Douglas
Foreman
Holmes
Bowe
Tyson
Moorer

Also six.
You've forgotten Rahman, buddy.
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Old 01-18-2011, 05:11 PM   #34
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You've forgotten Rahman, buddy.
Yes, I did. Good eye.
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Old 01-18-2011, 05:57 PM   #35
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Yes, Goldstein was one of those "can't miss" fighters, who seemed to have everything... except a sturdy chin! He made the cover of The Ring at just 18 and appeared headed for stardom - but was more or less ruined by the tough Hudkins. I seem to recall, that you once mentioned something about your dad losing money on the Hudkins fight??
Yes B, My dad and uncle knew Ruby Goldstein from the neighberhood,and when he lost to Hudkins they bet whatever they had on him..They went home sans money,as did many of his fans.
Many years later As I posted previously,I met Ruby at a boxing seminar in New England, and later after, I spoke to him, with a few other guys, and asked him many questions about him, Harry Greb, and other fighters of his time.
i treasure that conversation with him....
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:33 AM   #36
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How would anybody think that a win over the WBC WBA IBF WBO champion, was worth more than a win over the lineal champions toenail?
A dangerous generalization. As always it depends on who we are talking about. I doubt that you'd consider a win over Zsolt Erdeis toenail to be better than a win over a (near prime) Roy Jones Jr.?



Nevertheless an interesting topic. Bear in mind that if one only includes linear champions it puts fighters of yesterday at an advantage as there where more linear titlefights in yesteryear.
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