Originally Posted by Boucher
I am a bit bafffled here Burt,I dont see why the quick defence, I haven't attacked Stanislaus Keical.
I think he is top 5 at middle without any question ,I picked Ketchel to beat Zale.
I just said the film of Ketchel v Johnson shows that Johnson had quicker hand speed,and , if a heavyweight has quicker handspeed than a middle weight, can that middle weight have terrific speed?
For the record, Johnson said he was astonished, how easy to hit Ketchel was .
I think there are very ,very few middles that could prevail in a shootout with Stan, maybe Ray, Fitz, Langford,thats about it.
Greb beats him imo . Monzon and Hagler go close.
I LOVE STAN.
B, What made Ketchel a legend in his LIFETIME ,was an uncanny stamina,mixed with great two handed punching power,and a great ability
to absorb punishment. As a middleweight he kod the lightheavyweight great
Phil. Jack O'Brien in 3 rounds in 1909.Ray Robinson for example didn't do as well against Joey Maxim, who was not as good as O'Brien was.
Years after Ketchels death,O'Brien at a dinner, approached a brother of the late Ketchel,and embraced him, saying "your brother is the greatest fighter I ever saw ". For what it's worth...Cheers B...