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Old 12-08-2007, 10:17 AM   #31
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tunney was only down once, but he didnt face anywhere near the level of competition charles, patterson, walcott faced. tunney also never fought any men over 200lb like the above 3 did. tunney the majority of his career fought men much smaller than him. Tunney didnt fight any black fighters, he ducked jack sharkey and george godfrey. Tunney also failed to fight many of the top punchers of his era
Are you aware that Geroge Godfrey would not fight Tunney? The papers make reference to this.

Are you aware Tunney record vs hall of fame fighter is something like 10-1? I think that is fine competition.

Are you aware Charles and Patterson also fought much smaller men, who for the most part were the same size as Tunney?


Tunney fought Demspey twice, he was the best puncher of the era.
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Old 12-08-2007, 10:47 AM   #32
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Not in those days.

Tunney was revolutionary skilled in that he did things that most boxers only learnt from the 30's. If you look at a guy like Dempsey, who was still modern for that time, you'd think in the 1920's they had their testicles in their knees, the way he keeps his hands there. Product of the transition of bareknuckle boxing to gloved boxing. From the early 30's, gloved boxing was modern.
Tho i've lost the article Tunney did indeed move boxing forward technically.
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Old 12-08-2007, 10:52 AM   #33
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Are you aware that Geroge Godfrey would not fight Tunney? The papers make reference to this.

Are you aware Tunney record vs hall of fame fighter is something like 10-1? I think that is fine competition.

Are you aware Charles and Patterson also fought much smaller men, who for the most part were the same size as Tunney?


Tunney fought Demspey twice, he was the best puncher of the era.
Also, Ali fought many guys who were were within the heavyweight limit but who were much smaller with decided disadvantages in height and reach.
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Old 12-08-2007, 11:35 AM   #34
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Tho i've lost the article Tunney did indeed move boxing forward technically.
The article is right there on film.

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Old 12-08-2007, 11:56 AM   #35
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The article is right there on film.
Fair call, and when i stumble back upon it it will be right here on ESB
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Old 12-08-2007, 03:28 PM   #36
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Are you aware that Geroge Godfrey would not fight Tunney? The papers make reference to this.

Are you aware Tunney record vs hall of fame fighter is something like 10-1? I think that is fine competition

otherway around. tunney would not fight godfrey. tunneys management ducked godfrey, they wanted no part of him. Historian Kevin Smith was kind enough to send me newspaper articles confirming this.



10-1 is misleading......most of those wins are over past there prime greats, or against much smaller fighters than tunney.



Tunney never fought a man over 200lb, never fought a black fighter......never fought a great fighter near their prime outside of harry greb who beat tunney twice despite being outweighed by at least 15lb.


On film. patterson, charles, walcott appear to me as the better boxers than tunney.
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:00 PM   #37
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Not in those days.

Tunney was revolutionary skilled in that he did things that most boxers only learnt from the 30's.
I am not convinced that Tunney was a turning point in terms of technique.

I have seen contemporary articles describing Jem Mace, Jim Corbett and Terry McGovern as having turned a corner in technique but not Tunney.

Jack McAuliffe said that Gene Tunney was better than Jim Corbett but only because he was more powerfull and durable while posessing similar tools.
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:30 PM   #38
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Corbett was ahead of his time, too. I don't know about Mace but i'll take your word on that one. It's just that i see fighters from the early 30's on use combinations, high guard, jabbing etc, while a lot of fighters before that (with a few exceptions, say Tunney, Dempsey and a few others) did not do that. I'm talking about heavyweights, by the way.
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