what does 'pound for pound' mean for you?

[Pachilles]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Weight climbing is very overrated in some cases, men naturally get bigger, some more so than others, winning titles in divisions as you naturally mature while never being at a physical disadvantage is not more impressive the reigning in 1 weight class for the same period if the competition as a whole is equal. The only time Pacquaio has had a real size disadvantages has been at 147 and maybe 140.

It boils down to resume and dominance, and physical disadvantages against the opposition

Pacquaio is Mayweather's superior. Get over it you black.

[teeto]

Originally Posted by Pachilles

Pacquaio is Mayweather's superior. Get over it you black.

He does have a greater resume than him for sure. You know who i think the better fighter is though, if they fight i don't think it's too close,

[bodhi]

Originally Posted by teeto

He does have a greater resume than him for sure. You know who i think the better fighter is though, if they fight i don't think it's too close,

I´m not as convinced as in the past if he would beat Pac but I still think he would. Pac´s obviously greater though.

[teeto]

Originally Posted by bodhi

I´m not as convinced as in the past if he would beat Pac but I still think he would. Pac´s obviously greater though.

I think Mayweather's generalship has both matured and gotten better with age myself, i'm convinced. They're both cunts for not making the fight happen anyway, fuck them both, what a joke.

[TBooze]

Pound for pound to me, means all things being equal.

It just seems ludicrous, as yes, I could imagine a slimmed down Smokin' Joe fighting a pumped up Jung Koo Chang, but there is still not going to be an equality.

Obviously there are exceptions, but as a rule I tend to believe, Punchers have a better chance of succeeding at Heavier weights, whilst speedsters seem to have more chance at lower weights, so it does not seem fair to take that out the equation.

But coming from the man who recently posted a top 100 of all time, I guess I am being a bit hypocritical, but I think I avoided using the term Pound for pound on the thread...

I always try reward results and intangibles when doing this, thus I had quite a few Heavies in there and have Ali and Louis as top 10 fighters.

The hardcore might not like it, but Heavyweight boxing for long periods in this sports history is/was at the front line of mainstream perception of the sport. And those fighters that got positive mainstream attention should be awarded credit for doing so, by the boxing fancy IMO.

[bodhi]

Originally Posted by teeto

I think Mayweather's generalship has both matured and gotten better with age myself, i'm convinced. They're both cunts for not making the fight happen anyway, fuck them both, what a joke.

[goat15]

Originally Posted by teeto

Oh ok, dominance vs weight jumping-

You can't just pick like that, if i've dominated poor opposition and you've moved up in weight beating fine opposition then you're likely to have a better resume. By the same token if i've dominated a great division and you've shown you can beat bigger average fighters then i am likely to have a better resume. This isn't necessarily reflective of who is the better fighter though. Someone like Aaron Pryor doesn't have an outstanding resume but it's clear as day how good a fighter he is.

that's how people should look at it, and that's how i try to when comparing fighters. neither dominance nor weight jumping is better in and of itself.

it just seems that many favour one over the other (regardless of context), and that the current trend is for weight jumping.

thanks for your responses!

[goat15]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Yes they do, its the most sort after prize, with by far the widest weight span, Great HWs are underrated P4P, as are small HWs competing at the weight, ie Patterson is a better P4P boxer than Archie Moore for my money

totally agree that heavyweights are underrated pound for pound... and that in fact, heavyweights fight in a division that ought to favour pound for pound reputation. one fight you can be pitted against a 200pounder, and the next, a 250pounder!

patterson above moore is outrageous, but i see where you're coming from.

[Kalasinn]

@bodhi: Beat me to it!

[teeto]

Originally Posted by goat15

that's how people should look at it, and that's how i try to when comparing fighters. neither dominance nor weight jumping is better in and of itself.

it just seems that many favour one over the other (regardless of context), and that the current trend is for weight jumping.

thanks for your responses!

You're welcome. A lot of people just seem to have an agenda, and when one does they're going to twist it to suit how they like.

[PH|LLA]

it's a ratio of ability / weight

[puertorricane]

The real p4p king of all time is finito lopez.. the smallest guy dominated the smallest division and had more talent and skills than anybody in boxing...