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Old 02-19-2011, 10:58 AM   #1
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Default In theory, do you rate a quick KO/TKO or a sustained domination higher as a win?

Sweet_Scientist and I were discussing this recently.

Obviously every case is unique and the particular circumstances of each win are different,

but in theory/general,

which do you value more as a win:


- an early KO/TKO (rounds 1-3) irrespective of whether the performance leading up to the stoppage was particularly impressive,

or

- a sustained and dominant beatdown which either goes to points or results in a very late KO/TKO (rounds 11-12 in a 12-rounder, or rounds 13-15 in a 15-rounder)?



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Old 02-19-2011, 11:06 AM   #2
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Second one for me. You need to be at the top of your game, concentrated and determined for a longer time which is harder. However, styles play a big role there. Someone like Bernard Hopkins wonīt knock you out in 1-3 rounds, he lacks the power to do so. On the other hand yomeone like Tyson will always have stretches during a long fight in which he does not dominate, simply because of his style.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:09 AM   #3
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On the other hand yomeone like Tyson will always have stretches during a long fight in which he does not dominate, simply because of his style.
Put him against Wlad's awful opposition & he'd completely dominate the entire fight, not that many of them would last long.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:10 AM   #4
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Default Re: In theory, do you rate a quick KO/TKO or a sustained domination higher as a win?

a late KO/TKO, dominant beatdown proves more your superiority over your opponent.

But talking in very general, logical terms, an early KO/TKO is the most efficient and safest route towards the ultimate goal. Every round extra you're in, is 3 more risk-filled minutes you're in danger of being KOed yourself.

Ofcourse tactics come into play, fighters often need to pace themselves etc..but the most ideal outcome has to be the first punch you throw, in the very first round, KO's your opponent.

We're only human so the odds of that happening are slim, and putting maximum power in your shots early will wear you and the opponent will likely survive the initial onslaught, then maybe a more subtle approach becomes the more logical choice...but if you have that freak power and ability to end it quickly, the ultimate ideal outcome is definatley the early KO.

So i dont know. I dont know if i've even made sense here. I guess you have to judge whats most impressive based on the attributes that the boxer has.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:12 AM   #5
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a one punch KO is a gift of power that not all fighters have but the art of setting up the KO by strategy and actually having a short term and long term plan going into the ring is in line with the art of boxing. The Klitschko's as of late have been masters of patience and softening up their opponents for the KO...Fighters like Marciano and Louis had the natural power but always had a long term plan and were efficient at late KO's as well as the one punch power. Fighters like Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson rarely KO'd a fighter late in the fight in fact Tyson only once and Lewis never...It may indicate the lost art of the science of the KO (excluding the one punch variety) in modern times.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:12 AM   #6
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Put him against Wlad's awful opposition & he'd completely dominate the entire fight, not that many of them would last long.
Wladīs opposition isnīt really worse than Tysonīs 80s competition IMO. Aside of that, I donīt go by woulda/coulda/shoulda And that was not a knock at Tyson, itīs his style, one I love even so I prefer Patterson over Tyson myself.
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a one punch KO is a gift of power that not all fighters have but the art of setting up the KO by strategy and actually having a short term and long term plan going into the ring is in line with the art of boxing. The Klitschko's as of late have been masters of patience and softening up their opponents for the KO...Fighters like Marciano and Louis had the natural power but always had a long term plan and were efficient at late KO's as well as the one punch power. Fighters like Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson rarely KO'd a fighter late in the fight in fact Tyson only once and Lewis never...It may indicate the lost art of the science of the KO (excluding the one punch variety) in modern times.
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a one punch KO is a gift of power that not all fighters have but the art of setting up the KO by strategy and actually having a short term and long term plan going into the ring is in line with the art of boxing. The Klitschko's as of late have been masters of patience and softening up their opponents for the KO...Fighters like Marciano and Louis had the natural power but always had a long term plan and were efficient at late KO's as well as the one punch power. Fighters like Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson rarely KO'd a fighter late in the fight in fact Tyson only once and Lewis never...It may indicate the lost art of the science of the KO (excluding the one punch variety) in modern times.
Thats some ****ing nostalgic bullshit, Bummy D. The 'ART of the science of the KO' was rewritten by Mike Tyson
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:09 PM   #9
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Sweet_Scientist and I were discussing this recently.

Obviously every case is unique and the particular circumstances of each win are different,

but in theory/general,

which do you value more as a win:


- an early KO/TKO (rounds 1-3) irrespective of whether the performance leading up to the stoppage was particularly impressive,

or

- a sustained and dominant beatdown which either goes to points or results in a very late KO/TKO (rounds 11-12 in a 12-rounder, or rounds 13-15 in a 15-rounder)?



All comments welcome
It depends on the style of the boxer and his opponent. To me a shut out for a few rounds and a 10 count vs. a prime or near prime fighter who has pride and not been stopped means more.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:13 PM   #10
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Default Re: In theory, do you rate a quick KO/TKO or a sustained domination higher as a win?

Each case is unique, but generally I would favour the one where the fighter looks in the class above.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:16 PM   #11
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I wouldn't have a general preference at all...it depends upon what you see. For a guy like Froch to shut out Abraham is obviously much more impressive than a 2nd round one punch KO because of the type of fighter (we thought) he was. On the other hand, had it been Calzaghe in there, the KO would have been more impressive.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:24 PM   #12
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Default Re: In theory, do you rate a quick KO/TKO or a sustained domination higher as a win?

They both have their own unique value, and I suppose it depends on how its done. Max Schmeling's dominant performance over 12 rounds against Joe Louis, was a masterful one, while George Foreman's early round destruction of Joe Frazier was equally impressive, but in a different way.
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Old 02-19-2011, 04:54 PM   #13
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They both have their own unique value, and I suppose it depends on how its done. Max Schmeling's dominant performance over 12 rounds against Joe Louis, was a masterful one, while George Foreman's early round destruction of Joe Frazier was equally impressive, but in a different way.
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Old 02-19-2011, 06:28 PM   #14
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Default Re: In theory, do you rate a quick KO/TKO or a sustained domination higher as a win?

I think over the long haul people subconsciously give more credit to a sustained domination over an opponent as opposed to a short or quick KO.

I give them equal merit on the basis that if you matched them up again, all things being equal the fighter that scored the KO can never be counted out against his opponent because he's proven that he has the capability to get the job done.
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