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Old 10-26-2010, 10:50 AM   #61
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Hi Burt was just watching the Dykes vs Robinson fight on youtube and the announcer mentions about a fight at the coney island veledrome with i'm afraid to say Billy Brown immediately before the Dykes fight.

The clip is at 0.52 of the video.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLka0hGIJWY&feature=related[/ame]
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:21 PM   #62
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Hi Burt was just watching the Dykes vs Robinson fight on youtube and the announcer mentions about a fight at the coney island veledrome with i'm afraid to say Billy Brown immediately before the Dykes fight.

The clip is at 0.52 of the video.

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Yes R , I know that Ray Robinson fought a Billy Brown Sept 4,1950 at
the old defunct Coney Island Veledrome...That was NOT the fight I saw..
I saw Ray Robinson decision BOBBY DYKES at the Coney Island Veledrome
with my friend...I was sure at the time that this fight was their second
time they fought each other, probably a few years after their first bout
in Chicago in 1950...It is a mystery that may never be solved...I recall that fight as fairly dull. I have asked for help solving this puzzle, to no
avail...But see that fight I did...Thanks, b.b.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:02 PM   #63
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Apologies for dragging this old thread up but I'm just watching the ESPN Ringside on SRR and on it the reporter and SRR biographer Dave Anderson has said that he saw SRR fight at the Coney Island Velodrome on Labour Day afternoon in 1947 against Billy Brown from Hartford, either Boxrec is wrong or he is as they have the fight listed as 1950
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:29 PM   #64
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Apologies for dragging this old thread up but I'm just watching the ESPN Ringside on SRR and on it the reporter and SRR biographer Dave Anderson has said that he saw SRR fight at the Coney Island Velodrome on Labour Day afternoon in 1947 against Billy Brown from Hartford, either Boxrec is wrong or he is as they have the fight listed as 1950
JD, thanks for your interest in this BOXING MYSTERY of my life. I have long given up on solving this true,"Bermuda Triangle" of mine. When i started in ESB, i asked our posters for help in solving my old quandry. Our posters
graciously tried to help, but to no avail. Sherlock Holmes is long dead,and unfortunately left no heir...
To put this mystery in a nutshell, I and a pal saw Ray Robinson fight right handed Bobby Dykes in old Coney Island Velodrome,NY.It was an outside Arena and it was a non-title bout.Robinson won a non-exciting decision.I recall Sugar Ray coming late to his dressing room,and the crowd was restless, but i,and others peering down from the bleachers saw Robinbson and his entourage arrive in his Fuscia colored cadillac,and hustled into his dressing room. the fight started and BOBBY DYKES[who I saw before] from Tampa Fl,
lost a dull decision. I am aware that in Chicago,Nov 8,1950,bobby dykes lost a decision to Ray Robinson.I saw that many times on youtube. I am sure that
the fight I SAW between Robinson /Dykes at the Coney Island Veledrome
was after 1950,and was their SECOND fight, which alas, is not in the record books...But see it WE did... I am also aware that Ray Robinbson is listed as fighting a Billy Brown Sept 4,1950 in coney Island, but I saw Bobby Dykes
a tall lean boxer NOT Billy Brown, fight Robinson, as sure as i am typing this.
This mystery I believe may never be solved as Robbie and Bobby Dykes are long dead.As jack Dempsey brought this up today on his post, i feel obligated
to respond, but with no hope of a solution..
One possibility is that Bobby Dykes subbed for another opponent.that late
afternoon of the fight I saw in the early 1950s,before that old arena closed.
sherlock holmes, i need you Cheers JD...
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:45 AM   #65
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No worries Burt, thought it was relevant to the original query you made, I'm in the process of acquribg some more Ring Magazines from 1950 so maybe I'll be able to shed some light once they arrive
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Can only find a 1950 Chicago bout listed.

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Old 02-23-2011, 06:28 AM   #67
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Burt... to close the gap, was SRR World Middlechamp at the time??

The "Australian Ring Digest" has ample American fight records..

It may be in them. I don't feel like trudging through 4 years worth, but I'm happy to check all 1951 or 52..
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Burt... to close the gap, was SRR World Middlechamp at the time??

The "Australian Ring Digest" has ample American fight records..

It may be in them. I don't feel like trudging through 4 years worth, but I'm happy to check all 1951 or 52..
Thank you B. I recall in my mind ,that Robinson was not a champ at that time.
As posted before I am fairly certain that the two,Robbie and Bobbie[rhymes]
fought once before. this bout i remember thinking took place in the same Arena that Jim Jeffries and Tom Sharkey fought in 1899,Coney Island Veledrome,near the Steeplechase and the ocean.But Bobby see it I did, but
I doubt that this mystery will ever be solved.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:13 AM   #69
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No worries Burt, thought it was relevant to the original query you made, I'm in the process of acquribg some more Ring Magazines from 1950 so maybe I'll be able to shed some light once they arrive
JD Thank you. I have some old Ring Mags from the early 1950s,back home,
but I didn't find this bout listed.So FAR..I believe this fight was thrown together at the last moment ,a few years after their hook-up in chicago in 1950. That is what my intuition tells me..
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:16 AM   #70
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Can only find a 1950 Chicago bout listed.

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B, thank you for this column, but Bobby Dykes was NOT a left -handed fighter,he was orthodox...The plot thickens !
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